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    Friend's aircraft missing out of Anchorage

    Hey all,

    I just got word that my hunting partner is missing between Wasilla and Seldovia. He was flying a Maul monday afternoon, and was last heard from at frequency change going south beyond Turnigan arm.

    I am stuck here in Juneau, with out much chance of getting the 12 up there to look, but you guys are probably better than I am anyway.

    The search is still on, as it is only 48 hours away. Mike carries good sleeping bags and survival gear to get buy, and went through the special forces paratrooper school, so can deal with most problems.

    I am rambling. If anyone has info, knowledge or just gut feelings about the search, I would love to hear it. I don't want to be bothering his wife four times a day.

    I have not even developed the pictures of our trip this fall.

    thanks

    George

    (907) 789-9661 if you want to call.
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

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    Just checked, His number is 949JH

    The Maul is white with blue and red stripes. I think he is back on 8:50s, but could have 31" bushwheels.

    Wrong color for this time of year. If anyone has info, I would appreciate the heads up.

    Thanks

    George
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

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    StewartB
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    George,
    Monday evening they were looking near Hope, which made no sense to me. I haven't heard anything since, except for this.
    http://www.ktuu.com/CMS/anmviewer.asp?a=8462&z=4
    The weather's pretty good today. Pray for good news.
    SB

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    StewartB
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    Nice to see one of these with a happy ending for a change!

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    Found PIlot, What are the details?

    AKTango,
    Could you post some of the good details about your hunting buddy being lost for six days. Was he Forced down by Weather, Mechanical or what? Did he suffer any injuries? Apparently he had adequate provisions for the extreme situation he was in. Let us know when you learn more of his endeavor...
    Champdriver

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    Dogfish Bay is a remote camp/fishing lodge operated by the Village of English Bay. There are plenty of structures to stay at in an emergency. They also have a very nice 1200' or so gravel strip perpendicular to the beach. Why he landed on the beach according to the Daily Worker article is beyond me when a nice strip is right there. Dogfish Bay is very small and you can fly over it and the airstrip in seconds.

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    The story went national:

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/28/mis....ap/index.html

    What a great ending! Except for the poor Maule.

    Just a little reminder, folks, to be prepared for when your day comes and things go real quiet up front.....so get out to the hangar and really go through your survival gear!
    JP Russell--The Cub Therapist
    1947 PA-11 Cub Special
    www.bft-int.com/aviation.html

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    StewartB
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    With no disrespect at all, consider how lucky this pilot was.

    a) Put the plane down without getting hurt, after a significant water crossing.
    b) Put it down right by a cabin.
    c) Have the whole situation happen during a week that the temps are well above normal.

    Still no cakewalk, and perhaps it's true that you make your own luck. All said, it still took 6 days to get someone's attention on a marine radio.

    Another compelling argument for satellite phones.

    SB

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    Another good example to get a Satellite phone. I also have a marine portable just in case the Sat. phone fails. Now that I took the plunge and bought one, I don't fly without it. I have the phone numbers for the Rescue Coordination Center in the water proof/ crush proof floating case and operating instructions.

    I figure if I am in good enough condition to be able to utilize a sleeping bag etc. then I should be good enough shape to dial the phone. I count it as my best survival tool now-days.

    Praise God he is OK. Answered prayers for sure.

    I,m also thankful to our Great Air National Guard, Coast Guard, and the Alaskan CAP. They are awesome!
    Ed

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    Alaska Pilot Recounts Wilderness Ordeal

    By MATT VOLZ
    .c The Associated Press

    ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Last week, Michael Holman landed his plane on a deserted part of the Koyuktolik Bay shore, hoping to do a little beachcombing.

    Instead, the 45-year-old pilot got a six-day test of his survival skills in Alaska's wilderness when the incoming tide destroyed his plane, stranding him at the tip of the Kenai Peninsula.

    He was found unhurt Sunday beside a campfire that ultimately clued rescuers in on his location. Searchers had been scanning the shorelines for the Palmer resident since last Monday when he failed to arrive in Seldovia, about 140 miles southwest of Anchorage.

    Flanked by his wife Nicki and two children, Holman recounted his ordeal moments after arriving by rescue helicopter to Kulis Air National Guard Base in Anchorage.

    ``I've got visions of cheeseburgers,'' he said.

    Holman said he spent the first three days on the beach waiting for a rescue plane. He had salvaged food, a tent, a gun and other supplies from his blue and white Maule ML-7 before the water swallowed it. One item he forgot, though, was his emergency locator beacon.

    Holman said his main priority was keeping warm and dry, while thoughts and worries of his family passed the time.

    After three days of waiting, he decided that nobody was going to find him where he was and so moved on. Holman left his tent and most of his supplies, carrying just two cans of sardines with him for food.

    ``I knew I was out of the search area,'' he said. ``In three days of sitting on the beach, I hadn't seen a single airplane, not a single boat. The map I had was kind of poor for land navigation, but... I figured that would be the best alternative, to try and walk out.''

    Holman said he trekked across rough terrain from 4 a.m. until 9 p.m. Friday, stopping in the darkness when he came upon an empty lodge. There, he found water, a better map, a bag of rice and most importantly, a handheld radio.

    The Civil Air Patrol and others battled winds, snow, rain and fog that decreased visibility, focusing on a 4,000-square-mile area over the Kenai Peninsula.

    A Coast Guard crew picked up Holman's message on Saturday and was able to spot him with the help of a bonfire he burned, but wind gusts prevented a helicopter rescue that night.

    Holman said because he was so well-equipped, he never let his fears get the best of him.

    ``Actually, I've got to be honest and say I never reached desperation stage,'' Holman said. ``That doesn't negate the absolute joy I felt at seeing the helicopter this morning.''

    Early Sunday morning, Holman made his way to a nearby beach, where Air National Guard rescuers picked him up, returned to his original landing site for the rest of his gear, and flew him to Anchorage.

    His family was waiting for him when the helicopter landed. His children, 12-year-old Charlie and 9-year-old Laura, ran to hug him as he stepped onto the icy tarmac. His wife followed, and the family stood in an embrace for several minutes before Holman was led away to recount the story to Alaska State Troopers.

    Nicki Holman said the past week had been an emotional roller coaster. Searchers first believed they spotted a patch of ice on Turnagain Arm where the plane may have gone through, but a later search showed Holman had not landed there.

    Nicki Holman then sat by the phone as crews searched through the short Alaska days battling snow, rain and wind gusts of up to 80 miles per hour.

    ``The nights were so long and the days were so short when I knew they were out searching for him. I wasn't perhaps confident anymore as some of those guys at the rescue center,'' she said. ``I was starting to give up hope.''



    11/28/04 20:08 EST

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    Dogfish Bay (Koyuktoluk)

    I think there may be more to this than meets the eye, and I'll probably get some grief for trying to make some sense out of a frequently tragic, all too common story that , in this case, had a happy ending.

    Back in the early 90sI flew a daily scheduled 135 commuter run out of Lake Hood in Anchorage to Seldovia, then Port Graham, Nanwalek (the old English Bay) and then around the corner to Dogfish Bay (Kuyuktoluk in Segustun) on a daily or twice daily schedule for a few months. The equipment was a doggy old C-207 on 8:50s that replaced a C-185 that was wrecked at the beach strip there by a pevious company pilot.

    I was hauling freight and passengers to the English Bay Corporation Camp when we went in there, usually employees for the contract logging company that was working to the east of the camp.

    There was a maintained beach strip above the tide line not even mentioned in the Daily News story that was just adequate for a fully loaded 207 as well as the short cross wind strip built a few years later (and occasionally used for a log dump for the helicopter logging operation) that was sorely needed on the days when the beach strip was 20 knots crosswind and the only departure was flaps 20 and a gusty downwind turnout over water out the bay with the stall horn whining..... they never did pay me enough for that stuff...... do it by the numbers and it will work...

    Why would anyone land below the tideline disregarding two strips more than adequate for a Maule, and either one a much better alternate than the boulder beaches down there?

    Was he beachcombing (as in one story), or did he have a mechanical?

    Oh, and there is also a dirt road (the only one, and shown on the sectional) from the old logging camp/Lodge that goes east around Mt Bede just to the north and will take you to Nanwalek in about 20 minutes by 4 wheeler or a 4 or 5 hours walk. That''s how the village employees of the camp get to work when the Lodge is open.

    After that I flew part 91 for another 7 or 8 years for another company into the same strips and bays on a regular basis in a C-185, both wheels and floats. The road was still passable the last time I flew it from the Nanwalek Lakes to Dogfish.

    There is a lagoon to the east of the barrier gravel bar that the lodge and strip are on but it was never tidal in the years I've been there. The whole bay is maybe a 1/3d of a mile across from north to south. There is also no beach or way possible to walk up the coast the short 2 miles or so to Nanwalek or down the coast to Port Chatham, due to the cliffs. Did he even wreck at Dogfish?

    Or was he down around the corner and wrecked at Port Chatham where there are tidal beaches, and walked over the ridge to Dogfish where it sounds like they found him?

    Sounds like he didn't know where he was, or the whole story was afflicted with the typical lousy reporting that typifies most aircraft accident/incident stories...( the engine stalled ....)

    I wonder if we will ever know what really happened?

    If it was one of my advanced students, the FSDO would probably make them take a competency check........ and I'd have a lot to explain also....

    This is not an "Alaska wilderness area" on the east side of Kachemak Bay down to Nanwalek. It is trafficed by more than 20 charter and scheduled comuter flights a day from Homer serving the communities all the way down the coast to Nanwalek.

    He must have passed right by Homer FSS about 5 miles away on his way down the bay, as well as flying the coast with multiple inter village flights running up and down the coast between 1500 and 2500 ft msl, passing both Seldovia and Nanwalek airports within a mile or less of the airports, in a narrow flyway necessitated by the need to maintain gliding distance to land, and was apparantly incommunicado the whole way, hardly conducive to flight safety for himself for anyone else in the area, in addition to which he had access to Homer radio on 123.6 or 122.2 all the way to Elizabeth Island. It would have been no big thing and undoubtedly prudent to advertise his presence on 122.9 on his way down the coast and make a position report to Homer FSS as he passed by even if he wasn't on a flight plan. Might have saved him a few days of dieting, and the coasties and everyone else a lot of money, effort, risk, and loss of income in the case of most of the search crews.

    Airforce academy and United Pilot...... Last I heard they made them use radios.

    If he flew 135 he'd be looking for another job. No union.

    Just another inconsiderate hot shot. Beside the expense to the CAP and Coasties, look what he put his family through.

    If you won't file a flight plan, even if with a trusted friend, then maybe we shouldn't look for you.

    I can only hope that the Maule wasn't insured, otherwise he's just another amateur bush pilot running up the insurance rates to where most of us can't afford it......

    Harsh but true.

    Hyrdflyr, MELI, SEL, L&S, CFI, A&P

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    Sure glad to know we have at least one perfect person in our midst!!
    The most important aspect of this signature line is that you don't realize it doesn't say anything significant until you are done reading it & then it is too late to stop reading it....

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    hardly perfect

    I'm hardly perfect, but stayed alive for 20 years in Montana and Wyo flying singles in and out of bad places and then for the last 15 years in alaska from the slope to the Aleutians, Cubs to freighters.
    I have buried half my friends over theyears, and lived through it myself not by being very lucky (I never ever was) so I had to be careful and try to keep from screwing up when I was in a bad place.
    I have yet to bend one, though it could happen tomorrow if I screw up at the wrong time. We all screw up. The trick is to not do it when your ass is hanging out. Flying is unforgiving of the arrogant and overconfident.

    Bob Sheldon flew Denali and wrecked more airplanes than he could finance, and got all the kudos. Cliff Hudson did all the same stuff, day after day, for over 30 years and never did wreck one. And hardly anybody ever remembers him except the old hands here in Alaska

    As for the rest, it's professionalism.

    Hyrdflyr

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    Re: Dogfish Bay (Koyuktoluk)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyrdflyr
    I think there may be more to this than meets the eye, and I'll probably get some grief for trying to make some sense out of a frequently tragic, all too common story that , in this case, had a happy ending.

    Back in the early 90sI flew a daily scheduled 135 commuter run out of Lake Hood in Anchorage to Seldovia, then Port Graham, Nanwalek (the old English Bay) and then around the corner to Dogfish Bay (Kuyuktoluk in Segustun) on a daily or twice daily schedule for a few months. The equipment was a doggy old C-207 on 8:50s that replaced a C-185 that was wrecked at the beach strip there by a pevious company pilot.

    I was hauling freight and passengers to the English Bay Corporation Camp when we went in there, usually employees for the contract logging company that was working to the east of the camp.

    There was a maintained beach strip above the tide line not even mentioned in the Daily News story that was just adequate for a fully loaded 207 as well as the short cross wind strip built a few years later (and occasionally used for a log dump for the helicopter logging operation) that was sorely needed on the days when the beach strip was 20 knots crosswind and the only departure was flaps 20 and a gusty downwind turnout over water out the bay with the stall horn whining..... they never did pay me enough for that stuff...... do it by the numbers and it will work...

    Why would anyone land below the tideline disregarding two strips more than adequate for a Maule, and either one a much better alternate than the boulder beaches down there?

    Was he beachcombing (as in one story), or did he have a mechanical?

    Oh, and there is also a dirt road (the only one, and shown on the sectional) from the old logging camp/Lodge that goes east around Mt Bede just to the north and will take you to Nanwalek in about 20 minutes by 4 wheeler or a 4 or 5 hours walk. That''s how the village employees of the camp get to work when the Lodge is open.

    After that I flew part 91 for another 7 or 8 years for another company into the same strips and bays on a regular basis in a C-185, both wheels and floats. The road was still passable the last time I flew it from the Nanwalek Lakes to Dogfish.

    There is a lagoon to the east of the barrier gravel bar that the lodge and strip are on but it was never tidal in the years I've been there. The whole bay is maybe a 1/3d of a mile across from north to south. There is also no beach or way possible to walk up the coast the short 2 miles or so to Nanwalek or down the coast to Port Chatham, due to the cliffs. Did he even wreck at Dogfish?

    Or was he down around the corner and wrecked at Port Chatham where there are tidal beaches, and walked over the ridge to Dogfish where it sounds like they found him?

    Sounds like he didn't know where he was, or the whole story was afflicted with the typical lousy reporting that typifies most aircraft accident/incident stories...( the engine stalled ....)

    I wonder if we will ever know what really happened?

    If it was one of my advanced students, the FSDO would probably make them take a competency check........ and I'd have a lot to explain also....

    This is not an "Alaska wilderness area" on the east side of Kachemak Bay down to Nanwalek. It is trafficed by more than 20 charter and scheduled comuter flights a day from Homer serving the communities all the way down the coast to Nanwalek.

    He must have passed right by Homer FSS about 5 miles away on his way down the bay, as well as flying the coast with multiple inter village flights running up and down the coast between 1500 and 2500 ft msl, passing both Seldovia and Nanwalek airports within a mile or less of the airports, in a narrow flyway necessitated by the need to maintain gliding distance to land, and was apparantly incommunicado the whole way, hardly conducive to flight safety for himself for anyone else in the area, in addition to which he had access to Homer radio on 123.6 or 122.2 all the way to Elizabeth Island. It would have been no big thing and undoubtedly prudent to advertise his presence on 122.9 on his way down the coast and make a position report to Homer FSS as he passed by even if he wasn't on a flight plan. Might have saved him a few days of dieting, and the coasties and everyone else a lot of money, effort, risk, and loss of income in the case of most of the search crews.

    Airforce academy and United Pilot...... Last I heard they made them use radios.

    If he flew 135 he'd be looking for another job. No union.

    Just another inconsiderate hot shot. Beside the expense to the CAP and Coasties, look what he put his family through.

    If you won't file a flight plan, even if with a trusted friend, then maybe we shouldn't look for you.

    I can only hope that the Maule wasn't insured, otherwise he's just another amateur bush pilot running up the insurance rates to where most of us can't afford it......

    Harsh but true.

    Hyrdflyr, MELI, SEL, L&S, CFI, A&P

    Looks to me like you deserve some grief over your tirade, and I hope it never happens to you! Seems also that you should be working for the NTSB cause you know what the cause was with out even investigating the incident. By the way it was Don Sheldon.
    Tim

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  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by bearsnack
    OOOHHHHH!!
    What? Did I go to far?
    Tim

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    Oh I would agree with you fully Hyrdflyr, The felonius scoundrel had no business being searched for. We should disband the Search and Rescue Operations Altogether cause 90% of S&R operations are caused by somebody doing something stupid, or unexpected. And I thought Insurance was for those that screwed up. Those of us that are perfect don't need insurance anyway. All we need is not in motion for the actes of nature----- wait a minute while we are accusing him of everything under the sun, maybe he only had not in motion ins. Yea decided to wash his wreck out to sea and put his family thru a week of grief.( and unless you've been close to a family who had their Dad/ Husband searched for for a week, you have no idea the grief they went thru.) just so he could be sure the ins co paid up.
    I would agree with you on all you said, If I had never been 5 miles from my intended course, never stopped where I hadn't told anybody I was going to Stop, never had on the spur of the moment flown over to another spot to check something out.but I guess I'm just a hotshot bush pilot without enough brains to stay iHome.

    Having said all that, it is a good wakeup call for those of us who do a lot of no specific destination flying in the winter to take extra means for contact/survival.
    The most important aspect of this signature line is that you don't realize it doesn't say anything significant until you are done reading it & then it is too late to stop reading it....

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    No Tim, you did not go to far. I got such a laugh out of the Don Sheldon thing I had to post an expression of observation.
    Its all good

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    Dear HAYWIRFLOPER, or whatever,

    Please see the posts on the other thread about missing maul pilot found.

    Yes, Mike should have used radios. Yes he DID have a flight itinerary with friends. Yes he on a whim decided to head down to Chattam bay or whatever and land, after three days hiked over the mountian headed out and came upon the stuff at Dogfish bay. So no, there were not a bunch of great strips to land where he did.

    NO, this is not an FAA issue. The plane was parked and would not start. Maybe a person of your expertiece can explain why one should go to the trouble to fill out all of the paperwork, (maybe you can volenteer) for a solinoid not correctly working.....

    With all of your experience and ratings, I can not imagine how difficult it was for you to remain at ALL times within your specified route, without deviation. HOW BORING! If you do have the experience you say, and have never once done something as simple as land below the tide line, flown a few miles off one direction to look at something, forgot to close a flight plan.........

    About the insurance issue, I don't know if it was insured. Buy why are you so against one collecting???? Should'nt you be far more concerned with the twits (like me at times) that fly into a strip and foget that it rained and slip and slide, damaging the gear? Guys flying overweight and breaking the plane? People pushing weather and killing a bunch of passengers? Insurance is expensive because EXPERIENCED 135 DRIVERS get cranial spacial disorientation disease (CSDD for short) and kill passengers. Planes are cheap in comparison to passengers, BUt don't take my word for it, find out from your insurance folks.

    I have said enough. I apolagize for offending any of you out there for this extreame tirade. The gentleman from Dragonfly Aero had the privilage of helping search, so earned (in spades) slack. But I am sick and tired of dufus, chest pounding, ...... people armchairing the happenings. Again, if you ever met Mike, you would understand that he has not a bad bone in his body, just had a comedy of errors once the solinoid suck.

    George
    low time,
    low liscence
    no logs
    cant afford a mechanic
    flies whatever can get his hands on (under 12.5)
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

  22. #22
    Watch it with your 135 pilot comments buddie, you might get back some of what your dishing out

  23. #23
    I had a solenoid stick on a remote strip once and flooded the engine trying to hand prop it (new pilot with only 60 hours). I pulled the battery box lid off (PA-1 to expose the battery and solenoids, put a couple of logs in front of the tires, cracked the throttle, took my leatherman and bridged the two large posts on the starter solenoid. It cranked right over and fired up. It pays to know how things work sometimes.

    A guy that works for me knows this guy's wife from church. While he was missing she told him that her husband had to heat something with a hair dryer in order to get the Maule to start. Sounds like either early Slick mags or a bad solenoid. I would not have been landing below high tide line knowing this. But again, thats just me. Crash

  24. #24
    Sorry to ask the same question that I asked in the other thread, but I never got an answer. If a career pilot such as he happened to wreck a plane, what effect (if any) would it have on his career. Does it effect his job, insurance or anything else, even though it was a private aircraft?

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  27. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by T.J. Hinkle
    I won't comment on what the guy did right or wrong but one thing I've noticed lately, is folks stake their lives on a piece of electronics.... ELT, Cellphone, Satphone etc...... Don't.
    If you depend on electric/electronic stuff, it may quit when you need it most.
    I agree we could do a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking, but rather than complain about what the guy did, we should certainly examine our own actions. Certainly, we have all done stuff we aren't proud of, but often we haven't been called on it....sometimes we have. We can all learn from incidents like these, but it is no use pointing fingers...the feds always do enough of that...
    Back several years ago, when I was just starting grade school, a friend Bill Munz cracked up his Dornier Do-27 about 85 miles east of Nome. He was in his late 70's at the time. His ELT went off, but he didn't think about that (this is a guy who flew Curtiss Robins in the 1930s out of Nome). They found him several hours later, with pack on, walking (and those of you who have spent time on the tundra know what a chore that can be) about 15 miles from the plane. The Guard picked him up with the helicopter and dropped him off at his mine. Now there is a guy who didn't rely on his electronic gizmos....I am not sure they make em like that anymore.

    Bill

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    Another self reliance story.....
    An old friend from Kenai flew his PA-12 across Cooks Inlet in the fifties. He landed in snow that came up to the bottom of the wings. He kicked the door open, dug his snowshoes out and proceeded to shovel a ramp and pack down a runway. Another guy from Kenai flew over, he called the Air Force. They sent a helicopter down. My friend refused any help. He always disliked the other guy for "turning him into the feds."
    That story reminds me of the old joke about the cowboy....
    A Texas cowboy was riding down a trail after a Texas gully washer rain. He sees a new Stetson hat in the trail. He gets off his horse, picks up the Stetson, and there is a guys head under it! He says, "Hang on feller, I'll give you a hand." The head says, "Heck, I don't need no help, I've still got a good horse under me."

  29. #29
    ground loop,
    The answer to your questions is "maybe". Most airlines have a contractual clause that states that any violation is grounds for termination. Most definitely in the companies a/c, but also possibly in your own. A violation that carries a loss of licence penalty of as little as 30 days has cost several people their jobs because they could not perform their employment duties.

    Bob D.

  30. #30
    Yup, you guys are right.

    I wuz a 135 driver, owner, and employee, so don't mean to paint all with a single brush.

    Mike was lucky in both his past situations. The first went as a mechanical due to carb ice and the fact he had heat on. This situation in not an NTSB reportable thing, only noteworthy due to his delay and the search.

    Mr. Hinkle, (hope it is spelled correctly), I hope to meet you one day, and would enjoy hearing more of your stories. Agreed on radio/electronics.

    Side note: you all realize that the Capstone project was funded partly as a search tool, at least congress thought. The missing beaver from Sitka was fully capstone equiped, and now we find out that the onboard location signal part was not part of the original Capstone project. So with the FAA out of money on the project and asking for more, congress learned that the big selling item, gps tracking of individual aircraft, is not included!!!!

    How do you explain that!

    (oh yea, the beaver had some political bigwigs with friends in D.C.)
    I don't know where you've been me lad, but I see you won first Prize!

  31. #31
    TJ wrote

    The point of this diatribe is,.....
    TJ, with your vocabulary I don't see how you fit in around Nikiski. Especially the M&M market. Can tell you're not a home boy.

    Crash

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