Parts buying scam

[cubdrvr]

I've heard of this scam before, but this is the first I have received. This is an email I got this morning. The way it's supposed to work is that they send me a check for 8K....I deduct the price of my parts....then return the balance of the $$ to them.....I get a rubber check and they get my $$. I think I'll play with 'em for a while and see what shakes out.

We are interested in buying your above mentioned products at advertised rate. Goods to be shipped to London. Cost and modalities of shipping to be born by us.

Payment for the purchase is by check through a debtor in US. The debtor owes us higher than our purchase. He will therefore be sending you a check for $8,000 to cover the cost of our order, as well as the Shipping costs.

On receipt of the check, you will cash and deduct the cost of our order .The balance you will send as we would instruct you to the Agency that will ship the Goods to us. If this arrangement suites you fine, please send us your address where to send the check, as well as the name to be on it. Also send us your phone number for easy communication.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thank you.

Best Regards

MR. KEN ROBERTS.

[Steve Pierce]

Yea that same scam got run here not to long ago on my neighbor. He was to smart for them too. The check was written on a bank about 100 miles away and wasn't any good. They did a big write up in our local paper about it. Let us know how long you can string the bastards along.

[cubdrvr]

Update on Parts buying Scam.........here are my emails to date. I did get a MO for 8K in the mail. I'll visit with my banker tomorrow and see what the next step may be.


Dear Mr Pepper,
The information we have is that the check was delivered since December 24 at 11.40 am your local time and was signed for by a K.HAUGAN.We are surprised that you have not cared to inform us but would want to believe that the christmas break may have caused it.
We also understand that a cashiers check was sent to you and that it is as good as cash and would clear your bank on presentation.
Please take the check to your bank and cash it.
Deduct the cost of the Engine as we agreed and have the balance sent by MONEY GRAM to TONNY U.JAMES IN HOLLAND (Tonny with a double NN) .Money Gram says that you will need cash to be able to send the money.They do not require any address.The test question is 'WHAT IS MY FIRST NAME.Answer is 'TONNY'.
On sending the money through a money gram point,please send to us by email,the THE CONTROL NUMBERS,THE EXACT AMOUNT SENT AS WELL AS THE NAMES AND ADDRESS OF THE SENDER IF DIFFERENT FROM YOU.
On! receipt of the money,James will make arrangements for the Engine to be picked from you.At pick up,you do not need to give them any money.They will give you a call to arrange for pick up.The information we have is that they have representatives in all states of the US and in Canada.
We are believing that you will be able to do this tomorrow.Looking forward to hearing from you.Thank you and God bless you.
Best Regards,
Ken Roberts.
NOTE:PLEASE ASK MONEY GRAM TO CONVERT THE MONEY TO EURO AND INFORM YOU OF WHAT IT COMES TO.COST OF SENDING TO BE DEDUCTED FROM THE BALANCE MONEY.



Waldo Pepper <squawkident@iw.net> wrote:
Hi Ken..........
Sorry this took so long to get back to you.....I've been out ot town.
You can send the check to:

Waldo Pepper
901 Broadway
Yankton, SD, 57078

Also please send me information on where, and how, you want the engine shipped.

Thank you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Roberts
To: squawkident@iw.net
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: Re Advertised (IO-470-K) at $3,500


We are interested in buying your above mentioned products at advertised rate. Goods to be shipped to London. Cost and modalities of shipping to be born by us.

Payment for the purchase is by check through a debtor in US. The debtor owes us higher than our purchase. He will therefore be sending you a check for $8,000 to cover the cost of our order, as well as the Shipping costs.

On receipt of the check, you will cash and deduct the cost of our order .The balance you will send as we would instruct you to the Agency that will ship the Goods to us. If this arrangement suites you fine, please send us your address where to send the check, as well as the name to be on it. Also send us your phone number for easy communication.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thank you.

Best Regards

MR. KEN ROBERTS.




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[Draggintail]

keep us updated on this! what a story.

[flagold]

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[cubdrvr]

Update on my emails........I've been playing with this guy for a while now......I think he's starting to catch on. He has spent 5 calls from London and I've not been available. I took the bogus Cashiers Check to my banker who called the bank it was written on. Southeastern Bank in Darien, GA.
It appears someone had stolen a CC from this bank and had it duplicated and sold amongst the scammers. This bank now has a full time person assigned to these fraudulent checks as they are receiving thousands of them. Problem is, according to my banker, is that banks will actually cash these checks for their customers because they look so authentic.....then when the Fed returns them guess who is stuck. Cashiers checks are not the same as cash anymore.......my banker recommended wire tranfers or escrows for large sales or purchases.

Waldo,
At least this is bettrer than the silence .
We will like to know what you mean by the check being deposited.We had expectd that it is as good as cash and would be cashed on presentation.At least that is the impression that we got.
And if you say deposited,how many days hold do they have on the check.
Your assertion that the balance money would be sent as soon as possible is rather vague.we need to know when because we also have a schedule.Mind you that you are not sending any money to me but to those that will be responsible for the pick up and shipment to us.You are not even sure if Theresa has deposited the check.
Please let us know for sure and for how many days.
Regards,
Ken.
By the way,is there any other number that i could use to reach you?.

Waldo Pepper <squawkident@iw.net> wrote:
Ken.........sorry for the delay. I just returned to the office and have had many year end business items to attend to. I think Theresa has deposited your Money Order. I will do my best to get the balance sent to you as soon as possible. I should be in the office tomorrow AM if you wish to call. Thank you........and Happy New Year........Waldo
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Roberts
To: Waldo Pepper
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re:Engine($3,500).CHECK & WHAT YOU MUST DO.


Waldo,
I consdier it rather shameful that you have refused to acknowledge any of my mails nor speak with me on my numerous calls.
I would not know why you have decided to treat us this way.we are still beliving that you will be good enough to say something to break the silence.
Regards,
Ken.

Waldo Pepper <squawkident@iw.net> wrote:
Ken ......you can reach me at 605-665-7057. Thanks........Waldo
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Roberts
To: Waldo Pepper
Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 4:21 AM
Subject: Re:Engine($3,500).CHECK & WHAT YOU MUST DO.


Dear Mr Pepper,
The information we have is that the check was delivered since December 24 at 11.40 am your local time and was signed for by a K.HAUGAN.We are surprised that you have not cared to inform us but would want to believe that the christmas break may have caused it.
We also understand that a cashiers check was sent to you and that it is as good as cash and would clear your bank on presentation.
Please take the check to your bank and cash it.
Deduct the cost of the Engine as we agreed and have the balance sent by MONEY GRAM to TONNY U.JAMES IN HOLLAND (Tonny with a double NN) .Money Gram says that you will need cash to be able to send the money.They do not require any address.The test question is 'WHAT IS MY FIRST NAME.Answer is 'TONNY'.
On sending the money through a money gram point,please send to us by email,the THE CONTROL NUMBERS,THE EXACT AMOUNT SENT AS WELL AS THE NAMES AND ADDRESS OF THE SENDER IF DIFFERENT FROM YOU.
On!! ! receipt of the money,James will make arrangements for the Engine to be picked from you.At pick up,you do not need to give them any money.They will give you a call to arrange for pick up.The information we have is that they have representatives in all states of the US and in Canada.
We are believing that you will be able to do this tomorrow.Looking forward to hearing from you.Thank you and God bless you.
Best Regards,
Ken Roberts.
NOTE:PLEASE ASK MONEY GRAM TO CONVERT THE MONEY TO EURO AND INFORM YOU OF WHAT IT COMES TO.COST OF SENDING TO BE DEDUCTED FROM THE BALANCE MONEY.




Waldo Pepper <squawkident@iw.net> wrote:
Hi Ken..........
Sorry this took so long to get back to you.....I've been out ot town.
You can send the check to:

Waldo Pepper
901 Broadway
Yankton, SD, 57078

Also please send me information on where, and how, you want the engine shipped.

Thank you.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Roberts
To: squawkident@iw.net
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: Re Advertised (IO-470-K) at $3,500


We are interested in buying your above mentioned products at advertised rate. Goods to be shipped to London. Cost and modalities of shipping to be born by us.

Payment for the purchase is by check through a debtor in US. The debtor owes us higher than our purchase. He will therefore be sending you a check for $8,000 to cover the cost of our order, as well as the Shipping costs.

On receipt of the check, you will cash and deduct the cost of our order .The balance you will send as we would instruct you to the Agency that will ship the Goods to us. If this arrangement suites you fine, please send us your address where to send the check, as well as the name to be on it. Also send us your phone number for easy communication.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thank you.

Best Regards

MR. KEN ROBERTS.

[CrossedControls]

cubdrvr,
If you have any contact details for the London end I can pass them on to the Police this end. It looks from the wording of the e-mails to be one of the Nigerian scams, so they may not be contacting you from the UK.
Keep us posted.
Pete

[cubdrvr]

The voice on the recorder is definetly not English. I did speak with our local sheriff and he passed the info on to our Atty. General. They have no interest in pursuing this because the chance for any legal action is pretty much non existant. We all just have to be aware and exercise caution when accepting cashiers checks.

[Draggintail]

looking at your signature line....... given what has happened to cashier's checks, it would seem that more often than not any more, a cigar is something else indeed. (Monica knows.)

great story. we are having a ball watching you play this fish. pretty soon you'll have to tell him there was a problem with the check? then what will he say? betcha he goes silent.

or do you have someone pick up the "engine" but instead it's a box of concrete blocks (or worse)? after all, the scammer's paying the freight! sock it to the SOB.

[SJ]

Dang Cubdrvr, you have very large cahones...

I hope he does not send Mr. Motto out after you.

sj

[cubdrvr]

Not to worry........I told him my agent lives in KC and gave him your name.

[SJ]

At last count there almost 50 Steve Johnson's in Kansas City metro, so it will be like the phonebook scene from the Terminator I guess...

Eees Thees Saahrah Cahn-nur?

sj

[Russ Kaye]

Dave's signature line always reminds me of a sign my grandfather had on his wall. Sign said, "A woman is only a woman but a good cigar is a smoke". I think he brought it back from Havana back when Americans used to vacation there long long ago.

[Anna689]

I was also approached by this guy. I let him send the MO as well. It was funny how his perfect english all of a sudden disappeared near the end. He only called me once but the line was quite staticy. He used all the same lines except the name he gave me to send the money thru was different. He got a bit ticked at the end. The last thing he wrote to me was "the idiot that you are". You see, I had emailed him that I was going to cash the cheque. When he called, I told him that I thought it was fake. He wanted me to email him what I had told him on the phone. When I didn't, he would email me with the same 'why are you keeping something that is not yours". I think he needed written proof that I had not sent the money. Otherwise, whoever he is working for may have thought he pocketed the cash himself. I never did give him that satisfaction. When I received the MO the envelope it came in was from NIGERIA! The bank on my MO was the Chevy Chase Bank in Maryland.

[Cubus Maximus]

I read recently that Nigerian scam baiting is the new internet blood sport.

[WhiskeyMike]

Boys and Girls,

Having been to Nigeria (to fly banners) and knowing a number of Nigerians --they are world reknown for their scams, especially credit card fraud here in the USA. Everytime we went to get paid it was... Choose 1: He has traveled, he is praying, he is resting, he will see you on Tuesday.

Don;t even bother to waste your time. Delete e-mails and empty the trash. You'll never ever catch up, and the UK police have far more important things to do.

Can't blame a guy for tryin' can ya?? Cheer up, yesterday we worked til the wee hours to get ready for a flight, and my local mechanic here in Mexico said.. See you at 7 AM. At 3 pm we called a locksmith to get the cowls out of the hangar. Then he showed up.

Ain't no quick money, and there ain't nowhere like the good old US of A.

[S2D]

I think he needed written proof that I had not sent the money. Otherwise, whoever he is working for may have thought he pocketed the cash himself. I never did give him that satisfaction.

that is an interesting scenerio I never thought of. What if they are just working for somebody and getting a commission. If we started answering these things and having them send the check to a discreet dropbox, then acting like we sent them the money to a different address than they indicated ( like they discreetly told us to) maybe enough of them would start disappearing from their job for accused embezzeling the rest would start getting nervous and quit doing it.