Imagine 200,000 bunny-huggers not coming to Alaska. I, for one, won't miss them.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4485045p-4463753c.html
SB
Imagine 200,000 bunny-huggers not coming to Alaska. I, for one, won't miss them.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4485045p-4463753c.html
SB
I don't know about missing the bunny huggers, but the last time I missed a wolf I spent a few minutes adjusting the sites on the mini 14. It is interesting how many folks who can't keep their own place going want to fix Alaska.
GR
I'll tell you what helps me. I found that all the ranting and raving does nothing but get me upsetand raises my blood pressure.........SO........I visualize all these save-the-whalers as having incurable brain tumors. That gives them an excuse for their actions and I actually begin to dredge up some sympathy for the poor bastards.
"Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"
My question is, is she steamed up about the "aerial" part or the whole wolf killing part? What if they caught the little wolfies in hav-a-hart traps and Fed-Exed them to the lady? Oh, I guess there would still be an "aerial" content.. Hmm, well UPS Ground then maybe...
You know men (and ladies), this is an issue you have really educated me on in the last year, and I appreciate your perspective a lot more than hers.
sj
Where could a person find some more information about the aerial hunting of wolves? Regs. and Requirements and who can and how stuff?
Go to www.google.com and type in "aerial wolf hunting" and you will get gobs of info.
sj
This just in. Alaska 1, Bunny Huggers 0. The judge ruled in favor of the State of Alaska.
http://www.adn.com/front/story/4485221p-4463952c.html
SB
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'd have to say, it's about time. Good luck to the boys doing the shooting, I hope their guns don't jam, and that somewhere along the line they lose count a little.
Finally our Great State stands up for itself, and for once doesn't bow to some Bunny kissing Ignorants from B.F. Elswhere who are trying to run our system.
YES. This is GREAT news...
RB
No time to comment right now.
But.....check out http://www.wolftruth.us
I haven't read it all, yet, but the opening page makes alot of sense.
DMC
Interesting reading DMC......Unless you are the people that have to deal with the wolves, then you really don't know the truth. I certainly think that the media is on the route of the tabloid magazines.........truth does not count for anything, ratings do. Local problems need local solutions.
"Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar"
Haven't seen the news, but the thread sounds good!!!! Ya mean the gal (using terminology acceptible for public consumption) from Conneticut, didn't impress the lady judge(again) in Anch. that the poor damned wild dogs didn't need her protection. YAHOOOOOOO!!!
Mike
Can you shoot them from the air or do you have to land first?
Can shoot em from the air now
Well this is really good news!!! There is nothing more fun to do in the winter with a Cub. Now I need to get the push on to do the last few things to the PA-18 to get it back in the air. PA-18's have better doors for shooting out of then a PA-12 or 14.. I haven't followed the rules on this but can we use shotguns like in the old days or are we restricted to semi- automatic assault rifles like in the distant past? Don Sheldon had a rack with two semi-auto shotguns mounted to the lift struts. He would trigger them by pulling a cord from inside the cockpit. The rack and shotguns now sit in the Talkeetna museum. I wonder if I could get them out on loan???Crash
Hey Crash,
Did you ever see the rig the guys used on bears on Kodiak years ago? I seem to remember they mounted an M-1 Garand on top of the greenhouse and used a cable release to shoot over the top of the prop arc. I imagine a mini 14 or AR-15 might work just as well. It would be just like straffing tanks with a P-47.
Mike
Crash-
12 guage H&R single shot (or 10 guage if you really got balls) sawed off to min legal barrel length with extended recoil stock. Use it out the right door. that , a Super cub and a good woman is all a person needs in life! well maybe a few good friends and a six pack of beer once in a while doesn't hurt either.
The most important aspect of this signature line is that you don't realize it doesn't say anything significant until you are done reading it & then it is too late to stop reading it....
"just like straffing tanks with a P-47" 'cept you don't have 2000hp, 8 fiftys and diving at 400mph
The 20MM vulcan cannon pod on an F-4 tended to slow down the Phantom too. I don't think there are too many vulcans or Ma dueces available for mounting on a cub. I think a mini-14 is probably as close as most of us (who aren't wearing green flightsuits) will ever get to the dawn patrol.Originally Posted by pak
"just like straffing tanks with a P-47" 'cept you don't have 2000hp, 8 fiftys and diving at 400mph
Mike
Just to make sure again that this info is out there.....
http://www.wolftruth.us
If you are pressed on time, at least read the opening page of the wolftruth.us site and then scroll to the bottom and click the following two topics at the minimum: Reasons for Predator Control, and Wolf Myths.
I spent about 20 minutes and read every word on the site. Please go to this site and view this issue from the perspective of the rural bush Alaskans.
DMC
Congrats on a win against the Tree huggers. Not all of us from the lower 48 are eco nazi's and frankly I find it upsetting that people like that presume that they speak for the rest of us.
I have seen first hand what rover will do in a deer yard in Northern N.Y.(I used to live there and shot more than a few) when there is a crust on the snow and the deer can't get away but bunny huggers don't want to talk about that. Those were coy-dogs (kind of a cross between coyote and ferrel dog) I imagine a pack of 30 Wolves would be much worse. Good Hunting
Mark
I learned alot about wolves from the site Dave suggested, The myths about wolves were the most interesting. I'm also from upstate NY, and that coydog thing is a myth also. There was an article in the New York State Conservationist a few years ago that said something about the heat cycle was different between a dog and a coyote, and it would be very rare that a dog and a coyote would breed. I'll see if I can find the article.
Tim
Fair enough perhaps then they were straight coyote and ferrel dogs but, what ever you call them I know they were tearing the heck out of the yarded deer. I also know that in the 80's when I was living in the area we shot a bunch running deer at camp.
Has the D.E.C. said anything about the Moose sitings in ST. Lawrence Co. They had some sitings around the Beaver Creek area and just N. of Gouverneur for a while I guess.
Mark
For more info on Alaskan wolves, get a copy of "Wolf-Moose Investigations on the Kenai National Wildlife Refuge" by Dr. Rolf Peterson. Published in 1982, USF&WS Contract No. 14-16-0008-2104. Heres a couple quotes, page 67, "wolves were supported primarily by moose", "The average kill rate in winter was 1 moose per pack every 4.7 days," " a pack of 20 wolves provided the highest kill rate, 1 moose every 3.1 days."
Lets see now, using the larger figure of 4.7 days, assuming 10 packs, that equals 776.59 moose each year. Interesting figure.
And 2 wolves will be 10 wolves in a breeding cycle whereas 2 moose will make 4 moose at best in a breeding cycle.
I've seen the devastaion of a 6 pack of wolves on a weekly basis.
Every weekend riding snowmachines in a particular small valley yielded a view of another moose-kill.....that's the moose kill that I was able to stumble onto...there may have been more.
.......And never in that small valley was a wolf to be actually sighted. That's why we need airplanes to manage this wolf population.
The sad thing is that the moose breeding stock in that valley has been decimated and I've seen not one moose in that valley in the last 2 years-and that's sighting from the air in a helicopter and a Cub on a semi-weekly basis. No wolves to be seen there either. They've moved on to finish the large ungulate population in other areas. They can start eating the mice, foxes, coyotes and each other when the moose are gone.
This air hunt is not some "yyeeeeeeeehhhhhaaaaaaaw" sport hunt to anhialate wolves. This is a population management scheme.
Must be rough being a moose. Everything wants to eat them - wolves, bear, bugs, and us.
An old friend that flew predator control for years claimed that a female moose calf would produce 27 moose over a natural life span. That was base on 2 calves every other year separated by a year of one calf.
Bear just devastate the calf population each spring After we thin out the wolves, it's time to look at the bear population.
GR
Congratulations to all Alaskans! You are on the right path! We had a good wolf management program here in BC until the do-gooders got to influence the politicians. Look at game populations from Fort St John in the south to Fort Nelson in the north. Together with prescribed burning, the wolf management program did wonders for the game populations. Finally, you would see moose with twin calves in September. It is the most game rich area in North America, and part of it was due to a progressive wolf management program. Then 'Save Bambi' moved in and we are having to deal with organizations from the lower 48 that should not have any say in how we comnduct business up here.
Do not let people from the south tell you what to do!
Hans
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I figure TJ means he doesn't condone "illegal" methods of wolf hunting.
I for sure condone the legal methods.
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I don't have a position on the issue, but would like to understand the rationale better. I haven't had time to read through the whole wolftruth.us website, however, I did notice that they mentioned that in the 1890's (I think) they stated that the moose population was practically descimated and the wolf population was running rampant. There is no information prior to this that I saw about population sizes. I suppose some of the questions I would want to ask are: (1) Are moose indigenous to AK (I'd assuming yes.) (2) Are wolves? (same assumption) (3) Has a human presence in the area adversely affected moose in a more harmful fashion than wolves? (4) is there any indication in the absence of humans where the proper population sizes for equilibrium would be? (5) I also suppose that there is an argument that if the moose were being phased out by evolution by the wolves? Of course I guess you could counter that wolves are being phased out by people as well. It seems as though most of this data would be available somewhere and it would be interesting to see the issue looked at from this biological perspective rather than the political perspectives of the sides of this debate.
Don't worry about the boycott. I'll still come!
Volunteer, in charge of Political Correctness
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The questions posed by RRB made me think for a moment.
Evolutional phase-out of the moose by the wolves is something I'm not in favor of. I want to eat a moose every now and then myself.
I'm also not in favor of removing wolves from the face of the earth. But I've only ever seen them in their secretive "skulking" mode indicative of smaller groups isolated from the main pack.
My position stands that wolf and moose population numbers have been successfully manipulated by our game bioligists, and I like it that way.
Some greenies would like to say that we must allow nature to run its course, while they're totally unaware that they are dis-allowing this course-running by artificially "protecting" some species that is in an "out-phase" of evolution. Trust me, wouldn't there be some grand program for rebuilding the Carrier Pigeon population if a pair survived with which we could work? Yes. Would I be in favor of rebuilding the Carrier Pigeon population? Probably, though I wouldn't use the resource and it's no longer allowing nature to "run its course" as the green would scream.
This is a huge deal. Species will phase out. It's the plan. So to speak, or literally.
I wonder how a native living in a village on the tundra feels (yes, humans actually have feelings too) about the present time period where he's the subject being phased-out evolutionally by the wolf, through the loss of moose. I'm guessing he'll fight tooth and nail against it. Rightly, and so will I.
It'd sure be nice if we could find a balance on this issue, But the green and BunnyHuggies will never accept a balance, only completely their way. I guess we'll kind of miss you guys who boycott us. And I guess we'll be happy that if you boycott us you didn't come. You boycotters are the types who'd just refurbish some antique and put it under glass rather than use it. Maybe rebuild a Cub to its original state and hang it out of reach somewhere. You'll have no idea what you missed, just admiring and not touching or using.
Alaska is no antique to be unused. It's beautiful land able to provide much when properly managed and when balances may be found.
DAVE
A message from Mother Nature to PETA
http://www.supercub.org/upload/f.jpg
I am happy we now have some Leadership in this state that will allow the bioligist to do what it is we hire them for. I was starting to think we should fire all the biologist we don't listen to them any way. Thank God for the new Governer!
Next thing we have to do is stop ballot box Biology.
Cub_Driver
Has anyone heard if any progress was made this week-end?? Not a peep about it in ADN or ADF&G. It sounded like the weather was going to be favorable to move forward. I really envy the 3 lucky pilot-gunner teams that received the permits. I wish them SAFETY and SUCCESS!!
Mike
stewartb,
i won't miss the tourons one iota. they don't leave much money in alaska. princess tours and the rest of their kind have the tourists all kept within their system. they only take them to their vendors and their hotels and their restaurants. almost all the tourons money leaves alaska to their bank account in the lower 48. tourists go away and stay away. we don't need you. Tourists only take they don't give us anything.
Torch
Touch, your post makes me think another thread on where and what folks can do when they visit alaska that does not involve big operators would be GREAT.
I know I for one am going to be staying at all your guys' houses...
sj
"Often Mistaken, but Never in Doubt"
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This week the Juneau Empire is conducting a public poll (which it does every week) and the subject is wolves this time. The poll asks: Do you agree with the Board of Game decisions to authorize a predator control program around McGrath to harvest wolves to raise more moose (or something akin to that). Recent results are 129 in favor of the Board decision and 150 opposed. You can vote at www.juneauempire.com.
The poll is down toward the bottom of the left corner of their web page.
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