I'd like to add a filter to my O-320 (150 hp). Anybody got a preference, airwolf vs cubcrafters? My main concerns are ease of installation and access to change filters. I'm not a trapeze artist so gettin at the screen the way it is now is gettin old. Its on floats, so by the time I get high enough to reach it, the oxygen tends to thin out
Ken
Ken..........check out B&C.......they make a great adapter and are good folks to deal with....I put one on my cub and like the easy change, much better than pulling the old screen.
www.bandcspecialty.com
I agree on the B&c. Easy to install and maintain. No hoses going everywhere. It is the same one CC is selling but B&C sells it for a lot less.
Steve
I have the Airwolf kit. Very easy to change the filter, with almost no mess to clean up. The hoses are a bit tight, but once its installed oil changes with a filter change are really easy.
Mega Dittos on the BC! Bill is great to work with and the part! is made right, not fiddling around!
Tim
Guys
The B&C looks good to me, but I gotta coupla ??? Can you get at the filter OK back there? Does the openning face down, so I can pour oil all over during the change, or is it more or less horizontal?
Thanks
Ken
Ken.........it sits at about a 45 down. I poke a hole in the top of the filter when I am draining the oil and it you leave it sit for half hour or better ( I like to leave mine overnight) you can unscrew the filter with no mess....and everything is easy to reach.
Is the filter really neccessary? Lycoming designed it just with the screen and the -A2B is known to run easily the 2000 hrs if properly maintained. Isn't it just one of the weight adding items?........Vidir
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Ken
The oil filter isn't necessary if you observe the 25 hour oil change interval.
The spin-on oil filter is for those guys who have decided that they are sick of getting back there, spilling oil all over and busting their knuckles to clean the screen. The oil filter is just a whole lot easier to deal with. I hate to add weight though!
My 2 cents worth! I put the BC on my latest 0320 and imediately noticed a decrease in oil consumption of 2-3 hours! I also noticed the oil was still see through color when I changed it at (50) hours!!
I have run 0320's to and past TBO with only a screen, however I did just last week talk to a fella that lost a mag gear and due to the fact that he had a filter, was able to trap 'any metal' and by changing the oil three times saved the necesity to tear down the engine! If it had been with only a screen, the whole mess would have gone through all the bearings!!
Lets see, $15,000 engine overhaul/ $500 filter adapter, double the time between oil changes, and piece of mind!
Ditto on the proceedure for changing the oil, stab the top (vent), drain the sump, come back in the morning change the filter (no mess what so ever)
Tim
Tim, It sounds like rocket science to me. LOL. I like the extra piece of mind of the filter. I always cut the filter and have ound things in the filter that the screen didn't catch. One instance was on a C-90 in a L18C with both. The new rocker arm bushings didn't like the new rocker shafts and put gold dust through out the engine. I found it in the filter, but when I pulled the screen it was clean. The particles were so fine they went through the screen. My 3 cents worth.
Steve
hAS ANYONE TRIED THE NIAGRA AIRPARTS FILTER ADAPTER? jUST ORDERED ONE FOR MY BIPLANE(0320-NOTHING) AND IT LOOKS GOOD SO FAR. tHINKING ABOUT ONE FOR THE CUB NEXT. tHEY PRICED OUT AT 225.00 PLUS SHIPPING. tHOUGHTS? THANKS BILL
Let us know? The price sure sounds attractive? Competition will always level the price!
Tim
Icecub
I have a filter in: my car, my tracter, my mower, and my cherokee six. Mostly I'm just uncomfortable not having one, just because. I would also like to avoid the oil screen battle every 25 hrs. I guess I'd rather go fly.
Ken
Was just looking at the pic of the Niagra Oil Filter adaptor. With a filter installed, looks like there might not be enough room on a Super Cub, anyone know??
Brian
Question for those that have installed the B&C adapter on a Pa-18 /0320 is a spacer required,or did you have room with just the adapter? Any problems with clearing the oil cooler line? I still have the forward mounted oil coller with the solid lines. Looks very tight , any advise ? Thanks BIGFOOT.
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Diggler, The B&C adapter has a place for the vernitherm and the oil temp sensor. The ones I've installed were direct replacements of the oil screen housing with the exception of one I had to change an elbow on a flexible oil line going to the cooler mounted on the rear baffle.
Steve
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Yes, you can install a plug. I think they will send you a plug if you don't have the vernitherm. If I remember correctly I just screwed the probe in but it's been a while.
Steve
Gurus... You have convinced me. I'm going to order the B&C filter adaptor. One thing concerns me though... The oil cooler return line is an Aeroquip hose routed on top of engine and connected to a 90 deg. fitting on the accessory housing. Will the filter clear the fitting, or do I have to install a spacer or some different type of fitting? The engine is O-320-A2B.
Also, which type of filter should I use - CH48108 (short) or CH 48109 (long)?
Thanks in advance.....Vidir
see:
http://www.bandcspecialty.com/Bc700.pdf
It comes with a filter. I can't remember which one. Seems like a CH48108. You might have to move the elbow around or use a 45 degree elbow, or it might work as is. I have never had to use one of the adapters but have had to move the hose fitting a little.
Steve
I've got the spin-on mod with the CH48108 filter on the right side of the firewall, quite high up. Oil and filter changes are a breeze even for a complete klutz like me. Couldn't recommend it more highly.
BCB
Got my B&C oil filter adapter today:Got to say that it looks great. Nice CNC machined billet. I?ll see if I can round up a digital camera so that I can document the installation and post the pics. I too have a lot of questions about the installation (clearances and such). My voltage controller is on the firewall and looks like it?s going to pretty close to where the filter is going to live. This may be a project. Stay tuned for future fubar?s from Cavy!
In the process of installing the B&C 90 degree oil filter adapter on pa-18 -0320.
The filter (4810will not clear the voltage regulator that is firewall mounted. Anybody been down this road that can offer advice,as to the best course of action?. Is moving the voltage regulator a big deal? Thanks Jim
Just got started on mine yesterday afternoon. Got the same problem.
I?m hoping that I can just relocate the adel clamp for the spike guard capacitor to the aft side of the rubber mount, it only has to move a fraction to make the necessary clearance on mine.
As is typical of my jalopy, I?ve run in to some other problems that have me more concerned then the filter installation
Hopefully by the end of the weekend I?ll be able to post some pics.
I think it must depend on which voltage regulator you have. I installed the same one on mine and had plenty of clearance with the B&C voltage regulator. Moving your volt. regulator a bit on the firewall, if it helps, shouldn't present any problems.
Thanks for the reply guys,Cavy seems like moving the voltage regulator in some way is the only answer. Question: Is the voltage regulator electrically isolated by the rubber mounts or are they just for vibration. Looks like on mine that if the voltage regulator was moved in closer to the firewall, I might gain the needed clearance for the filter. Moving the regulator any distance at all will involve wiring issues. Let me know what you come up with and pictures are always good! Looks like I will not get to mine untill after the weekend.So maybe you will have the fix figured out?Jim
Aern't mods great. Nothing is ever simple it seems.
Steve Pierce
"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."
Henry Ford
Ok, here we go.
Top row, left to right. Filter and Oil Filter Adapter (OFA). Middle row...optional bourbon tube adapter, new bolts, loctite 518 gasket sealer. Bottom row...bourbon tube gasket, OFA gasket, vern-a-therm gasket.
Note: The bourbon tube adapter is sold separately, weather you need it or not depends on your type of temperature sender.
Here?s a shot of the bourbon tube and adapter. The mini screwdriver is pointing to the shoulder that makes the oil seal. The OFA doesn?t have the required matching shoulder in it, hence the adapter (arrow).
Something has to give here. Both of these parts want to occupy the same spot. I relocated the spike guard capacitor to the upper left hand motor mount tube.
Also, these two fittings for the oil cooler return line have to be replaced with a 45 degree AN fitting to make room for the oil filter. If you have this type of setup, make sure that you also order the 45 deg fitting. Remove the fittings and the old oil screen housing, install the new 45 deg fitting and the new OFA. That?s all there is to it!
Here?s what it looks like installed.
Here?s another shot of the installation. This was taken from the right side of the airplane looking almost straight down. Plenty of room in here now. Note that the spike guard has been moved to the upper left motor mount, and that the rubber mount for the regulator has been moved over. You can see the hole where the rubber mount used to be in the lower left part of the pic.
Here?s another pic of the spike guard mounted on the upper left motor mount tube.
All-in-all, the installation couldn?t have been any easier. The instructions are very clear and pretty much idiot proof. I used to work in a welding/machine shop and I got to tell ya that the OFA adapter is a down right work of art! The thing is really nice! When I ordered it, Bill stayed on the phone for as long as it took to answer all my questions and share some tips and tricks with me, treated me as if I was his only customer. If I had run into any problems, I knew that special treatment was just a phone call away.
Products: Some that are hot and some that are not
B&C Oil Filter Adapter is SMOKEN? HOT!!
Cavy, Thanks for the excellent pictures with your post.This web site and the good people on it are the best.What voltage reg is that?Are you Gen or Alt equiped? My Voltage regulator is the old black box (looks like DELCO) takes up quite a bit more room, and will require a little more distance.Also appears that I didnt know about the Bourbon tube adapter...as I ordered my adapter over the puter! Time to pick up the phone? Thanks again for the post and the pictures. Jim
Jim,
Sorry to see you are having problems installing the adaptor. looks like you still have the stock voltage control (external relay type regulator) Possibly you still have a generator?? The Voltage regulator can be moved and the wires spliced or replace with out much problem, I have the wire if you need it? What you see on the post is an solid state regulator and a spike guard/ and filter capacitor. InterAv inc. makes one (the one I have and there are several others nearly Identical. As far as I know the regulator you have is obsolete and when it was last available it was $260 for the PMA model of a 57 chev Delco unit!! (still available)
Let me know if you need a hand? I am hoping you get finished and can join us for an overnight camp out on the John Day Thursday/ Friday?
Tim
Here is the installation of my Altenator control (mounted under the panel on the boot cowl)
Jim
My setup is all Inter-Av. Alternator and voltage controller. I like Tim?s setup, where he has moved it inside. Looks good Tim! Maybe I?ll do that one of these days (after I hit the lotto and don?t have to deal with this WORK thing that keeps cutting into my day)
You asked about moving the regulator up against the firewall? I believe the rubber mounts are just for vibration isolation, but one of wrenchers here should know for sure. I guess in the end, it?s going to come down to what your AP/IA will buy.
Gotta say again, besides the bourbon tube adapter, don?t forget the 45 degree AN fitting. At least where I live, little things like that can hold up a project for days!
And one last note. My buddy Chris was the one with the digital camera, and was a BIG help during the installation too, THANKS CHRIS!!!
Cavy, Nice installation. Is that teflon tape on the oil cooler line fitting? The regulator is not electrically isolated from the airframe.
Steve Pierce
"When everything seems to be going against you, remember that the airplane takes off against the wind, not with it."
Henry Ford
Nope. Not teflon tape. It's special NASA approved high pressure thread sealer that just happens to come on a roll like Teflon tape. It's been proven on numerous applications (for over 20 years) to seal high temp/high pressure fittings. So long as you don't put it on the first thread, it won't break loose and flow through the system. Really!, why would I kid about a thing like that?Originally Posted by Steve Pierce
Yeah, Steve, I was gonna ask the teflon tape question too. For those of you not in the know, Teflon tape is not to be used on airplanes!
Also, Nice tach drive cable nut on the engine side, Cavy!!! (bbh, bbi)
Oh, and it's called a Bourdon Tube, not Bourbon tube, but I figured that was just good ole' Cavy and his style of writing.
The rubber isolators are for vibe only.
Also, as noted in Tim R.'s installation, The Inter AV alternator retrofit paperwork states installation of the overvolt relay behind the firewall ( in the cabin ), but Piper didn't do it that way in the late model -18's that I've been around.
Nice little show and tell, Cavy.
Dave Calkins.
I would like to have some of that 'special" pipe dope? Fuel lube is so stinking sticky ( I got a quart of it that is nearly as old as I am)!
Nice pictures "Chris") About putting them there controls inside (they last alot longer when not in the engine compartment) I have had great luck with the InterAv stuff!
Tim
I was sorta surprised that this roughneck crew went this long before mentioning the tach cable. Did ya also notice where ?they? mangled the knurls with a pair of pliers? I?ve spent months repairing/replacing dozens of items like that, and that?s just another one on my ?to do? list.
Another item is the OV relay, ya it?s inside, but it?s zip tied to the wire harness instead of being mounted to a solid surface...to do list.
About the Bourdon tube, I don?t have a Whiskey compass and there?s no way I?m flying this jalopy without a tube of Bourbon in it somewhere! That reminds me, I have to install a beer holder...umm...I mean cup holder...for my coffee.
Now about that stuff that looks like Teflon Tape. OK...OK...I GET THE POINT. Next oil change, I?ll remove the fitting, clean it up, and reseal it with the stuff that looks like pipe dope. At least I replaced the ?hardware store? brass fittings with a real live AN fitting, the tapers are different you know. SEE...I can be taught.
My A&P wants me to fly off a couple more hours (5 hrs total), then change the oil again, do an oil analysis, and cut open and inspect the filter. I found rust in the oil screen.
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