tcraft128
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St. Marys GA; GA36
This thread will be about the modifications and improvements that we make to our Experimental Super Cub.
Our Build can be found here, http://www.supercub.org/forum/showthread.php?37340-Our-Cub-Project and as of today, we have a whopping 10.2 hours on our cub. Our first modification has been the addition of Vortex Generators. I selected the Stolspeed series of VGs and purchased them from Aircraft Spruce. The kit comes with the necessary templates and adhesive in a nice little box. I ordered a box of 120 and 80, and I will have to order another box to complete the tail. The instructions for installation can be found here, and are detailed enough to make the process go pretty smooth.
Follow the instructions and use denatured alcohol to clean them with, it is pretty cheap, and does not leave the house stinking too bad. The placment of the VGs on the adhesive takes a while, in all honesty, it took longer to clean and put them on them on the adhesive then it takes to put them on the plane. Take your time, do it over a table and keep your fingers out of the glue. I used a razor blade from the back to lift the top layer off.
We lightly painted ours with aerothane, Juneau White to match the airplane and them look fine. They were painted on the adhesive taped to a 2x6.
VG placement has been beat to death here and Jerry Burr has provided us with very good explanations of aerodynamic concepts that I have no business repeating. What I did get from the many threads is a consensus that the VGs need to be placed, on an uncuffed, unslatted wing, between 2 and 6% of CHORD. On a stock Cub, that Chord is 62 5/8" and the table below can be referenced to get your measurements.
We used 4% or 2.5" from the leading edge, using a sheet rock square on the bottom and a small square on the top to find the spot. This was repeated three more time and a string was pulled across the marks and secured with masking tape to give us our VG nose forward position.
The VGs from Stolspeed come with three templates for installation, 30mm spacing for the tail, 60mm for the first 15 on the outboard and 90mm for the remaining inboard section of the wing. Because this is an experimental aircraft and its primary reason for leaving the ground is education and recreation, we decided to experiment and place all the wing Vgs at the 60mm spacing. This results in a need for 82 pieces a wing or 164 total. I only bought 200 and the tail at 30mm over 1320mm (52") is 44 a side or another 88! This is a total of 252 needed for a full install. So I am going to get another 80 and some will become extras.
The entire install took about an hour. Make sure that you wipe the area clean where you are planning on sticking the VG's to the wing with alcohol and keep your hands clean.
The overall change in flight charastics seems to be on par with what you will read in your research, lowered stall that is more like a mush with aileron control still available in the stall. I did try to "pump" a break into the stall, but I was unsuccessful. We really can't tell a difference in slow flight down the runway, but the stall was affected dramatically.
Our Build can be found here, http://www.supercub.org/forum/showthread.php?37340-Our-Cub-Project and as of today, we have a whopping 10.2 hours on our cub. Our first modification has been the addition of Vortex Generators. I selected the Stolspeed series of VGs and purchased them from Aircraft Spruce. The kit comes with the necessary templates and adhesive in a nice little box. I ordered a box of 120 and 80, and I will have to order another box to complete the tail. The instructions for installation can be found here, and are detailed enough to make the process go pretty smooth.
Follow the instructions and use denatured alcohol to clean them with, it is pretty cheap, and does not leave the house stinking too bad. The placment of the VGs on the adhesive takes a while, in all honesty, it took longer to clean and put them on them on the adhesive then it takes to put them on the plane. Take your time, do it over a table and keep your fingers out of the glue. I used a razor blade from the back to lift the top layer off.
We lightly painted ours with aerothane, Juneau White to match the airplane and them look fine. They were painted on the adhesive taped to a 2x6.
VG placement has been beat to death here and Jerry Burr has provided us with very good explanations of aerodynamic concepts that I have no business repeating. What I did get from the many threads is a consensus that the VGs need to be placed, on an uncuffed, unslatted wing, between 2 and 6% of CHORD. On a stock Cub, that Chord is 62 5/8" and the table below can be referenced to get your measurements.
Percent of Chord | Chord | Distance from LE (in) |
10 | 62.875 | 6.29 |
9 | 62.875 | 5.66 |
8 | 62.875 | 5.03 |
7 | 62.875 | 4.40 |
6 | 62.875 | 3.77 |
5 | 62.875 | 3.14 |
4 | 62.875 | 2.52 |
3 | 62.875 | 1.89 |
2 | 62.875 | 1.26 |
1 | 62.875 | 0.63 |
We used 4% or 2.5" from the leading edge, using a sheet rock square on the bottom and a small square on the top to find the spot. This was repeated three more time and a string was pulled across the marks and secured with masking tape to give us our VG nose forward position.
The VGs from Stolspeed come with three templates for installation, 30mm spacing for the tail, 60mm for the first 15 on the outboard and 90mm for the remaining inboard section of the wing. Because this is an experimental aircraft and its primary reason for leaving the ground is education and recreation, we decided to experiment and place all the wing Vgs at the 60mm spacing. This results in a need for 82 pieces a wing or 164 total. I only bought 200 and the tail at 30mm over 1320mm (52") is 44 a side or another 88! This is a total of 252 needed for a full install. So I am going to get another 80 and some will become extras.
The entire install took about an hour. Make sure that you wipe the area clean where you are planning on sticking the VG's to the wing with alcohol and keep your hands clean.
The overall change in flight charastics seems to be on par with what you will read in your research, lowered stall that is more like a mush with aileron control still available in the stall. I did try to "pump" a break into the stall, but I was unsuccessful. We really can't tell a difference in slow flight down the runway, but the stall was affected dramatically.