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S2D
03-21-2018, 11:24 PM
Well somebody needs do it, So I will start a thread on the
Changes Piper made to the Supercub over the years and add to it as time permits

Please add known changes or correct me when wrong and I will put them on the orginal Post
* means unknown or unverified.

1949 S/N 1 ..............................Piper built first Super Cub C-90 equipped
*1950......................................105 Lycoming and Flaps listed as option
1950 S/N 18-357 and up............Reinforcement channel added under brake pedals
1950 S/N 18-469 and up............ Revised Fuel system
1951 S/N 18-549 to 18-1214...... 125 HP available
1951 S/N 18-549 and up.............Revised trim system
1951 S/N 18-665 and up ........... Battery installation behind rear header tank **
1951 S/N 18-1059 and up...........Revised Fuselage Fitting -TW attach bracket
1952 S/N 18-1215 to 18-1969.....135 HP Available
1952 S/N 18-1262 to 18-2146...... A model available with 125 HP and 135 HP*
1952 S/N 18-1281 and up .......... relocated Data Plate to cabin floorboard (PA-18A S/N 1270 and up)
*1953 S/N 2891.........................125 engines no longer available
1953 S/N 18-1970 to 18-3013......135 HP available
1953 S/N 18-1970 and up ............Changed Control Stick shape
1953 S/N 18-2147 to 18-3013.......A model available with 135 HP
1953 S/N 18-2168 and up............ Air Vent added to top of boot cowl
1953 S/N 18-2191 and up............ Carb Heat and Cabin Heat Controls changed
1953 S/N 18-2214 to 18-2456 ......105 Special military trainer produced
1953 S/N 18-2520 to 18-2524 ......Equipped with Special flap handle, seat and toe brakes per SK449
1953 S/N 18-2945 and up............. Added grease zerk to front stab trim link
1954 S/N 18-3014 and up ........... Changed to aluminum door handle
1954 S/N 18-3381 and up ............Changed fuel selector mounting bracket (incl 10 earlier cubs)
*1954 S/N 18-3781.....................Added 150 HP, Beefed up Fuselage,Gross Weight Changed, Added more Ribs to Wing, changed flap return spring and Changed VNE
1955 S/N 18-4315 and up............Replaced Rudder pedal stops with Heel Plates
1957 S/N 18-5434 and up............Scott 3200 installed on all PA18A models
1959 S/N 18-6964 and up.............Changed to Round Style Air Filter
....... S/N 18-7633 and up ............ 90 hp versions no longer offered or eligible
*1961 S/N ?................................Metal Belly option on standard 18's
1963 S/N 18-8020 and up ............Changed boot cowl and instrument panel to Verticle
*1965 S/N ?................................ Fuselage zinc chromated
*1965 S/N ? ...............................Fuselage Heliarc Welded
*1965 S/N ? ...............................More 4130 tubing used in fuselage
1971 S/N 18-8920 and up............. Switched to Ceconite covering
1974 S/N 18-7409140 and up ........Alternator equipped
*1975 S/N 18-7509001 and up.......Scott 3200 installed on all Model
1977 S/N 18-7709199 ..................Revised Electrical System
*1978 S/N ? ................................ Cleveland Wheels and Brakes
*1978 S/N ? ................................Metal Ailerons and Flaps

All I have Time for tonight

S2D
03-23-2018, 10:41 AM
Couple Things I'd Like To Find

1. When Fuselage S/N plate was moved from overhead tube to behind instrument panel
2. When Clevelands became standard equipment
3. When An Alternator became an option
4. What S/N were the control surfaces changed to metal.

S2D
03-23-2018, 10:51 AM
Also I have virtually no Knowledge of changes past 1978 so if anyone that does would like to chime in, please do so

giangab
03-25-2018, 04:06 AM
One interesting point to know: I understand esrly fuselage frames had no providion for flaps. When flapped versions were introduced provisions were made for flap control keeping distinct fuselage frames for non flapped and flapped.
At a certain time fuselage frames were standatdized with flap control parts welded on all.
??????


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RaisedByWolves
03-25-2018, 07:34 AM
I saw a couple late 50ís 90hp with the flap pulley brackets and flap seat frame but no flaps


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Steve Pierce
03-25-2018, 07:50 AM
Couple Things I'd Like To Find

1. When Fuselage S/N plate was moved from overhead tube to behind instrument panel
2. When Clevelands became standard equipment
3. When An Alternator became an option
4. What S/N were the control surfaces changed to metal.
And the later 1979 and later had the frame tag welded to the rear seat cross tube. I cut them off and weld them on the frame when doing the removable cross tube.

Steve Pierce
03-25-2018, 07:52 AM
One interesting point to know: I understand esrly fuselage frames had no providion for flaps. When flapped versions were introduced provisions were made for flap control keeping distinct fuselage frames for non flapped and flapped.
At a certain time fuselage frames were standatdized with flap control parts welded on all.
??????


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That has not been my experience. I have a 1952 L18C/PA18-95 and it has all the flap pulley stuff including the handle attachment to the seat. Like Tom have seen the same on a lot of the 90 hp Super Cubs.

MZ18
03-25-2018, 08:14 AM
Mine is a ‘56 90hp PA-18 still with original fuselage. I don’t have flaps but fuselage has flap pully fittings welded in. Original seat base has flap lever mount welded on also.

giangab
03-25-2018, 09:16 AM
Well, the one I am restoring is a PA18-95 1954 has all welded flap parts and no flaps. I thought the fiselage fram had been replaced for any reason, but instead it could well be the original one!

Another question: there is a small plate welded on the upper cross tube, above the pilot seat, with a punched number on it. This number is different from the 18xxxx s/n: what does it mean? Is there a cross reference with s/n ?

scubber
03-25-2018, 11:54 AM
I had a conversation with the late Frank Swinehart, Sr. regarding the same fittings that our 59' had, when it left Lock Haven w/ a C-90. Frank had been the lead welder on the Super cub line for many years. He said in late 50's/early 60's there was only -1- line for the frames Common practice was that a frame was pulled off that line when an order came in, say for a C-90. He pointed out that our frame even has a few tabs for the spray hopper. Meaning it had been pulled for "ag ", and was pulled again to complete a different order that most likely had an earlier delivery date. Larry C.

Steve Pierce
03-25-2018, 12:34 PM
Well, the one I am restoring is a PA18-95 1954 has all welded flap parts and no flaps. I thought the fiselage fram had been replaced for any reason, but instead it could well be the original one!

Another question: there is a small plate welded on the upper cross tube, above the pilot seat, with a punched number on it. This number is different from the 18xxxx s/n: what does it mean? Is there a cross reference with s/n ?

That is the build number. The door has the same number since they were custom fit to each from. usually a few numbers off of the serial number. Clyde Smith has the original build documents for $10 with these numbers, optional equipment etc.

giangab
03-26-2018, 12:28 AM
Thanks all.
How to contact Clyde Smith?


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cubpilot2
03-26-2018, 01:11 AM
I don’t recall Piper offering the metal belly option on standard cubs until about 76 -77 rather than 1961. We wanted them for our sprayer conversions but was not an option. I think it was offered same year that Cleveland wheels and brakes became standard along with the new paint designs and colors. Blue, green, orange or red trim. Interiors were any color you wanted as long as it was black. Toggle switches for mags and stall warning came along about then as well I think.

Steve Pierce
03-26-2018, 06:33 AM
Thanks all.
How to contact Clyde Smith?


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http://www.cubdoctor.com

S2D
03-26-2018, 08:00 AM
I don’t recall Piper offering the metal belly option on standard cubs until about 76 -77 rather than 1961. We wanted them for our sprayer conversions but was not an option. I think it was offered same year that Cleveland wheels and brakes became standard along with the new paint designs and colors. Blue, green, orange or red trim. Interiors were any color you wanted as long as it was black. Toggle switches for mags and stall warning came along about then as well I think.

I've got a 75 with the metal belly, so that might have been the start.
Also has an alcor alternator but I need to see if htat was added after.
I need to find the pilots handbooks. it lists the S/N that the electrical system was changed. I know it was before the 77 model
Lot of mid 70's had clevelands but again that might have been a customer requested conversion.

giangab
03-26-2018, 11:30 PM
Wow found stamped number on right window frame matching number on frame welded plate.


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OLDCROWE
03-27-2018, 06:51 AM
[QUOTE=S2D;714015]I've got a 75 with the metal belly, so that might have been the start.
Also has an alcor alternator but I need to see if htat was added after.
I need to find the pilots handbooks. it lists the S/N that the electrical system was changed. I know it was before the 77 model
Lot of mid 70's had clevelands but again that might have been a customer requested conversion.[/QUOTEhad the updated electric system, a factory installed beacon on the turtle deck, and Cleveland wheels and brakes.

giangab
03-27-2018, 09:36 AM
One further question about serial number and frame number: can they be different?


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S2D
03-27-2018, 09:41 AM
One further question about serial number and frame number: can they be different?


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Always are different

S2D
03-27-2018, 09:43 AM
Guess we hit our limit for Edits !!

S2D
04-24-2018, 08:25 PM
I know of one that has PA-18-135 on the data plate but came from the factory with a 150.

Stew
04-26-2018, 08:49 AM
I need to find the pilots handbooks. it lists the S/N that the electrical system was changed. I know it was before the 77 model

These are extracts from the handbooks if they are of any help.

gravytime
06-04-2018, 10:25 AM
I have serial #18-2124 a L18-C. Airworthiness cert has is from 1958 but the FAA registration does not have a manufacture date. Data I have dug up from the FAA has it at Ft. Bliss in 1958. Anybody had any luck getting any data from Piper on manufacturing data. I am curious to the actual MFR year.

jnorris
06-05-2018, 07:45 AM
Please add known changes or correct me when wrong and I will put them on the original Post
* means unknown or unverified.


....... S/N 18-7633 and up ............ 90 hp versions no longer offered or eligible



You can add "1961" to this line. Your serial number is correct. According to my information, the last 90 hp Super Cub was 18-7632. I took some time to try to locate this airplane, but it doesn't seem to exist anymore. At least, I couldn't track it down.

My 1960 90 hp Super Cub has all the flap stuff in it as well, as per the discussion above.

RaisedByWolves
06-05-2018, 10:00 AM
You can add "1961" to this line. Your serial number is correct. According to my information, the last 90 hp Super Cub was 18-7632. I took some time to try to locate this airplane, but it doesn't seem to exist anymore. At least, I couldn't track it down.

My 1960 90 hp Super Cub has all the flap stuff in it as well, as per the discussion above.
I Maintain 18-5881 and it has all the flap stuff in it, its a 57 90hp full electrics and two wing tanks

Supertwotwo
06-06-2018, 04:27 PM
1979 they switched from the brass plug fuel selector to the plastic plug fuel selector.

18-1 thru 18-7909039 (tel:18-7909039) used brass plug brass valve
18-7909040 (tel:18-7909040) thru 18-8109086 (tel:18-8109086) used plastic plug brass valve

S2D
06-06-2018, 10:32 PM
You can add "1961" to this line. Your serial number is correct. According to my information, the last 90 hp Super Cub was 18-7632. I took some time to try to locate this airplane, but it doesn't seem to exist anymore. At least, I couldn't track it down.

My 1960 90 hp Super Cub has all the flap stuff in it as well, as per the discussion above.

Thanks. I would but they shut my editing off a long time ago.

S2D
06-06-2018, 10:34 PM
1979 they switched from the brass plug fuel selector to the plastic plug fuel selector.

18-1 thru 18-7909039 (tel:18-7909039) used brass plug brass valve
18-7909040 (tel:18-7909040) thru 18-8109086 (tel:18-8109086) used plastic plug brass valve

Thanks. Maybe one
of the steves could edit it.

Steve Pierce
06-07-2018, 06:31 AM
I have serial #18-2124 a L18-C. Airworthiness cert has is from 1958 but the FAA registration does not have a manufacture date. Data I have dug up from the FAA has it at Ft. Bliss in 1958. Anybody had any luck getting any data from Piper on manufacturing data. I am curious to the actual MFR year.

Clyde Smith has the original build records. Probably a 1952-54 or so.
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