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WanaBNACub
03-29-2017, 01:12 PM
I have debated for a long time on posting anything online, but decided to do it after all... On Nov 6th, 2016 I was on a duck hunt with a good friend in western Alaska. I had a severe wind shear event on takeoff that quickly changed from a quartering headwind to a strong quartering tailwind just as I started to rotate. It pushed my cub over 30' off course just as the mains lifted off the ground and into a huge cottonwood log and then into a steep narrow creek bank. The right gear pushed up into the fuselage and tossed the plane sideways. As it came back down on the left gear, the gear leg collapsed under the side load. The resulting cartwheel did significant damage to my cub and changed my life for the near term... I have always tried to make the best of everything in life and have decided that with the help of a really great IA, I was going to try and do the entire rebuild myself with his advice, help and him looking over my work. My plan is to work on getting my A&P out of the rebuild and working with him on several other projects. The second objective lighten up my cub significantly and make it a more capable workhorse cub! It will be quite an adventure and will lead to a lifetime of adventures when it is completed! I also started a facebook group for those that are on there that is documenting my rebuild and also an open forum for other bush plane rebuilds. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1837244029862308/
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It all happened in a flash and was pretty violent. I was able to keep it from flipping over and flew it all the way to the stop... Someone was looking out for me and I walked away without a scratch. The troubling thing to me is the 406 ELT was never activated... Didn't leave me a very warm fuzzy about their effectiveness... I always fly with a sat phone and an Inreach and my wife tracks every single flight with the Inreach. This reinforces its value to me! Currently I am about halfway done with the rebuild so I will be posting quickly over the next few days to catch up. We got started on disassembling it a few days after the crash so I could get it back in my hangar, but didn't really get to start the rebuild until Dec 1st.

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The right side gear fitting and left wing took the majority of the damage. I started stripping the fabric off a few days later to see just how bad it was.

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mam90
03-29-2017, 01:31 PM
Glad you're ok Cory. Airplanes can be fixed...

tedwaltman1
03-29-2017, 01:31 PM
Good job for your determination, dedication and follow thru on this project. Keep moving forward!

cubdriver2
03-29-2017, 01:45 PM
Glad your ok also. I cartwheeled my beloved Pa11 twice and walked away also without a scratch and my ELT never went off either. Good luck with your rebuild, I couldn't even look at mine for a couple years because it hurt doing so. I look forward to following your rebuild and all the great hunting pictures that you'll post after its done.

Glenn

WanaBNACub
03-29-2017, 02:38 PM
Mitch's jig was tied up for a bit when I got started so he suggested I start with the aileron/wing rebuild first. That way I would learn fabric work incrementally, from an easy part to more challenging stuff. The left Aileron got tweaked pretty good on the end, so I started by learning aluminum fabrication and repair on a small surface as well as the fabric work. Mitch showed me the ropes and turned me loose on it. I drilled out all the rivets and disassembled the damaged end, rebuilt it and put it all back together. Then he taught me the basics of fabric work and I got started on that. It turned out decent, so he trusted me to move on to the wing.

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WanaBNACub
03-29-2017, 02:51 PM
Then I moved on to the wing. Those repairs went together a little easier than I expected they would. It was very tedious, but with Mitch's knowledge it was pretty easy to pick up on. I am really enjoying fabric work. We had to replace all but 3 ribs and lots of wing parts. Leading and trailing edges, flying wires, etc...

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cubdriver2
03-29-2017, 03:49 PM
Most of the older A&P that live around here started down the road by first bending an airplane, Your in good company Cory

Glenn

Bearhawk Builder
03-29-2017, 04:21 PM
Thanks for sharing the rebuild, the only problem I see is the beer your drinking.

WanaBNACub
03-29-2017, 04:23 PM
Most of the older A&P that live around here started down the road by first bending an airplane, Your in good company Cory

Glenn

Not the way I envisioned this would work out, but necessity is the mother of invention! After getting laid off from the North Slope Oil Fields last summer and then shortly before the accident, beginning a new "full time student" career to get my commercial pilot ratings, there was no way I could afford to do the rebuild other than what the insurance would cover. So my decision to do as much as I could myself was the best option I could come up with. I have a solid mechanical and welding background from 26 years in the military as a mechanic, so that helps a little.

mike mcs repair
03-29-2017, 08:11 PM
The troubling thing to me is the ELT was never activated.


it's one axis ONLY, for aircraft ELT G switch(FORWARD ONLY)....

you crashed sideways.. you need a helicopter ELT if you want to do that....

WanaBNACub
03-29-2017, 09:33 PM
It initially was a pretty serious jolt that was straight ahead when the right tire and gear hit the creek bank and shoved the fitting 4" up into the fuselage folding it under. It felt at least as bad, if not worse than the cartwheel after it ended up sideways. Should that not have set it off?

WanaBNACub
03-30-2017, 09:32 AM
The fuselage welding took the longest. To get it to fit in the jig we had to remove a significant part of the lower front structure. Lots of cutting, coping and fitting, but after about 9 days in the jig I had had it fitting like a new airframe. With a few improvements that my IA likes to do, it should fly better than it did before! And we lightened it up by around 8 lbs...

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We had to cut a front gear cluster out to get the fuselage to fit in the jig, but this was just the beginning of the cutting and cleaning up of the fuselage.

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The new cabane v held things in place while I coped and spliced the framework back together.

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We also had to spend some time tweaking the rest of the fuselage to get it to line up perfectly in the jig, but once we did it fit like a glove!

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After the welding we still had to do a little tweaking to get the door and window to fit back, but now it fits way better than it did when I bought it even. Going to be nice to be able to shut the door without twisting it a little!

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The gingerbread for the boot cowl and false boot cowl took some time to shape it right...

WanaBNACub
03-30-2017, 09:48 AM
Once the fuselage welding was done and it was time to send it off to powder coat with Mark Bills and the guys from Advance Powder Coating. Marks experience and reputation up here made it worth the trip just for the time spent talking with him!

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The finished product was better than expected. I gained about 2 lbs back over the painted fuselage I sent in, but I think it was worth the tradeoff... There is lots of other weight savings to be had in other less important areas.

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Now its time to really get moving on the build! :-P

WanaBNACub
03-30-2017, 10:04 AM
I picked up a full set of Carbon Fiber flooring and rear seat material from Randy Apling (https://www.facebook.com/randy.apling) of Carbon Concepts, and the weight savings continues... I straightened out the old floorboards enough to use them as a template, and started by tightening up the fitup with tape. Then layed out the new floorboards, seat bottom, and forward and aft baggage floors. Saved just over 12 lbs between all those items over my old stuff... Thats huge to me! And that is before I did any cutting on the carbon fiber. Probably closer to 13 lbs as it sits now...

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This stuff is super nice quality and very light. Its easy to work with and very easy to cut with a jig saw and hole saw drills. I definitely recommend it for anyone doing a full cub rebuild or a re-fabric.

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Fitup went fairly quickly!

cubdriver2
03-30-2017, 10:36 AM
Cory it looks like you didn't add the front seatbelt attach when you were welding. You can still do this like I did

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Glenn

Cub junkie
03-30-2017, 11:56 AM
Nice work. You are going to know your cub well.

WanaBNACub
03-30-2017, 10:32 PM
The next step was putting all the pedals, brakes and brackets in... Gotta love installing and adjusting the rudder and brake pedals... That took me most of the day, and lots of cussin by itself...

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mdautry
03-30-2017, 10:43 PM
Keep the pictures coming, really like the carbon fiber floor boards...

Mike

mike mcs repair
03-30-2017, 10:53 PM
The next step was putting all the pedals, brakes and brackets in... Gotta love installing and adjusting the rudder and brake pedals... That took me most of the day, and lots of cussin by itself...


back when Univair or was it when Univair ran out of pipers New Old Stock... rudder pedal springs were not hard to install... but since the late 1990's univars BOGUS PARTS do NOT match the dimensions of the drawing... still surprprised the FAA have not busted them on this..

this is how it SHOULD BE... not the WIDE weird thing they try to pass off as the proper one...

http://www.supercubproject.com/drawings/pdfs/A3290338.pdf

WanaBNACub
03-30-2017, 11:36 PM
I wondered about that...there is no reason they should be that difficult. It's such a simple design.

skywagon8a
03-31-2017, 04:23 AM
The next step was putting all the pedals, brakes and brackets in... Gotta love installing and adjusting the rudder and brake pedals... That took me most of the day, and lots of cussin by itself...

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WanaBNACub,
I see that you have the North River Brakes. Here are a couple of pictures showing a reservoir attachment with a needle valve to each. Any container can be used for the reservoir. I made this one out of a Lucite rod. This simplifies adjusting the fluid level for temperature changes and brake wear. You can even adjust the level in flight if you are so inclined.

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Steve Pierce
03-31-2017, 05:41 AM
Cory, Looking great. What is the bracket above the longeron and behind the front gear fittings?

DJ
03-31-2017, 10:56 AM
Thanks for sharing. We all get to learn. I'm really curious what your total weight savings will be.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using SuperCub.Org mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=93960)

WanaBNACub
03-31-2017, 10:23 PM
WanaBNACub,
I see that you have the North River Brakes. Here are a couple of pictures showing a reservoir attachment with a needle valve to each. Any container can be used for the reservoir. I made this one out of a Lucite rod. This simplifies adjusting the fluid level for temperature changes and brake wear. You can even adjust the level in flight if you are so inclined.

That looks interesting. Do you have a close up picture of the reservoir?

WanaBNACub
04-01-2017, 12:41 AM
Cory, Looking great. What is the bracket above the longeron and behind the front gear fittings?

Steve, Were running the brake lines out the side rather than out the bottom.

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WanaBNACub
04-01-2017, 01:04 AM
A few more pieces of the puzzle are starting to come together. My old interior with diamond plate floor boards and thick kydex interior panels was really heavy. The Carbon fiber stuff from Randy is going to be a huge weight savings... https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17504592_10209187188379680_2452677075014809817_o.j pg?oh=65387f0af213bf74192aa43589d30c12&oe=5959DB50

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Eddie Foy
04-01-2017, 05:56 AM
Where did you get the seat frame. Folding back mod would be good.

WanaBNACub
04-01-2017, 09:55 AM
This cub came with it, but Airframes, atlee, and lots of other places sell them. That is definitely a must do mod for me.

skywagon8a
04-01-2017, 11:22 AM
That looks interesting. Do you have a close up picture of the reservoir?

file:///C:/Users/Peter/Pictures/2017-04-01%20Brake%20resevoir/IMG_0070.JPG

I can't seem to post pictures directly. PM me with your E-mail.

WanaBNACub
04-03-2017, 11:27 AM
Randy at Carbon Concepts made me a one of a kind panel from an aluminum mockup that I had designed for the cub. I am going to tweak the mounting just a bit yet as I am not totally happy with how it fits in the boot cowl, but I really like the design. This picture shows what goes into making a one off carbon part from the aluminum mockup we started with at the bottom. From that he made the wooden plug above it to make the mold from. The second from top is the finished mold and the top is the finished product.We made it so that the CF wraps around on all sides for strength, and also for ease of mounting into the boot cowl. No angle brackets are needed.The top portion of the panel slopes back at an angle, so the flange around the top had to be made to the proper angle for mounting.


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The finished product before cutouts is 12 oz. After cutouts we should be down in the 9 oz range.

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I am going to raise the panel up 1 1/2" from this picture for better stick clearance. I am also going to make a 2 piece boot cowl over the top that will have a larger removable center section for access behind the panel from the top as well as the bottom for future upgrades or repairs...

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WanaBNACub
04-05-2017, 12:08 PM
Lots of progress in the last few days. New fuel lines routed for the dakota 24 gal tanks. Trim system finished, more interior work done. I welded a bracket on the front of the seat frame and moved the two electrical solenoids there, so they are out of the way of the brakes for servicing. That was a big complaint of mine before the rebuild. Should make life easier. After talking with Wireweinie though, I think I am going to move the starter solenoid to the firewall.

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I closed off the upper baggage for several reasons. It will be less interior space to heat in the winter, better looks, better security of items in the upper baggage, and it allows me to run a three piece fuel line from the rear of the right wing tank to the valve so if you ever have to change a line because of chaffing or leaks it will be simple. Almost impossible with the fabric on for a 1 piece line. It also cleans up the fuel line install with the L-21 glass. No longer a fuel line running through both side windows...
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Nice having all that extra room in there to service the brakes!

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Hopefully I will be covering the fuselage next week. Have some electrical work to route first, but its coming together...

Bill Rusk
04-05-2017, 12:50 PM
Looks great! Thank you for sharing your build. Also thank you for including full-size and excellent photos. I'm really enjoying following this.


Thanks
Bill

spinner2
04-05-2017, 02:40 PM
Sorry to see your troubles Cory. But you'll end up with a nicer Cub in the end.

One thing I noticed that I'd change if it were mine is that I'd eliminate the springs from the front seat frame backrest. On the suggestion of a very experienced Cub guy I put a thin aluminum sheet on there when I had my -18. it was a bit lighter than the springs but the real purpose was to increase braking effectiveness. It seems unlikely to help, but it does. When you're putting a lot of heel force on the brakes you're also pushing hard against the seat back. The springs flex back and some of your braking effectiveness is lost.

Of course you have to be getting on the brakes hard but with your big 35's and off airport landings I'm sure you do at times.

SJ
04-05-2017, 03:09 PM
One thing I noticed that I'd change if it were mine is that I'd eliminate the springs from the front seat frame backrest. On the suggestion of a very experienced Cub guy I put a thin aluminum sheet on there when I had my -18. it was a bit lighter than the springs but the real purpose was to increase braking effectiveness. It seems unlikely to help, but it does. When you're putting a lot of heel force on the brakes you're also pushing hard against the seat back. The springs flex back and some of your braking effectiveness is lost.

Of course you have to be getting on the brakes hard but with your big 35's and off airport landings I'm sure you do at times.

Very interesting, Dan. Never thought about that.

sj

SJ
04-05-2017, 03:22 PM
Cory, as others have said, the awesome pictures really help!

sj

mvivion
04-05-2017, 04:46 PM
Sorry to see your troubles Cory. But you'll end up with a nicer Cub in the end.

One thing I noticed that I'd change if it were mine is that I'd eliminate the springs from the front seat frame backrest. On the suggestion of a very experienced Cub guy I put a thin aluminum sheet on there when I had my -18. it was a bit lighter than the springs but the real purpose was to increase braking effectiveness. It seems unlikely to help, but it does. When you're putting a lot of heel force on the brakes you're also pushing hard against the seat back. The springs flex back and some of your braking effectiveness is lost.

Of course you have to be getting on the brakes hard but with your big 35's and off airport landings I'm sure you do at times.

I'd do this as well.....or, what I did on my 11 seat back was I simply wrapped it in Poly Fiber and shrunk it good and tight. Very light and it is very solid. My motivation was a little different, however, in that I have a bad back, and my back just pushes right through those springs and gives me a curved spine....bad medicine. The fabric is super light, and so far after a couple years, seems to be holding up fine. In any case if it ever fails, I'll just wrap it again. Simple, quick and probably lighter than anything else.

MTV

Carey Gray
04-05-2017, 04:56 PM
I covered my seat back and bottom in Poly Fiber and attached the seat bottom cushion to the fabric with two strips of velcro
Works great and weighs pretty much nothing.
Pounds are made of ounces.

WanaBNACub
04-05-2017, 09:29 PM
Sorry to see your troubles Cory. But you'll end up with a nicer Cub in the end.

One thing I noticed that I'd change if it were mine is that I'd eliminate the springs from the front seat frame backrest. On the suggestion of a very experienced Cub guy I put a thin aluminum sheet on there when I had my -18. it was a bit lighter than the springs but the real purpose was to increase braking effectiveness. It seems unlikely to help, but it does. When you're putting a lot of heel force on the brakes you're also pushing hard against the seat back. The springs flex back and some of your braking effectiveness is lost.

Of course you have to be getting on the brakes hard but with your big 35's and off airport landings I'm sure you do at times.


I have been thinking about doing that throughout this build so far. I think I am going to go ahead and do it. It already has an aluminum bottom panel so might as well do both...

Iflylower
04-05-2017, 09:29 PM
+3. Did the same with my back seat. Fabric shrunk it. Super light. The smallest amount of pleasant give. Nice and comfortable. And again - super light. I only shrunk it to 250deg (first shrink stage, if I remember that right)

cubdriver2
04-05-2017, 09:43 PM
Does Randy make a CF map pocket for the front kick panel?

Glenn

WanaBNACub
04-05-2017, 09:59 PM
Does Randy make a CF map pocket for the front kick panel?

Glenn

Yes he does!

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skywagon8a
04-06-2017, 06:06 AM
I'd do this as well.....or, what I did on my 11 seat back was I simply wrapped it in Poly Fiber and shrunk it good and tight. Very light and it is very solid. My motivation was a little different, however, in that I have a bad back, and my back just pushes right through those springs and gives me a curved spine....bad medicine. The fabric is super light, and so far after a couple years, seems to be holding up fine. In any case if it ever fails, I'll just wrap it again. Simple, quick and probably lighter than anything else.

MTV
This is an excellent idea for another reason. For those of us who have long legs this would provide another inch or more of leg room.

Olibuilt
04-06-2017, 04:16 PM
It will be a very nice and clean cub.

Thank you for sharing info and pics. Futur buiders will like it.



Continu your good work!

WanaBNACub
04-14-2017, 11:29 AM
Lots of little stuff done in the past few days. Doesnt look like a lot of progress, but the little stuff is what seams to take the most time. Got all the wiring ran for the tail light and beacon, ELT mounted and wiring ran, trim pieces formed and ready for paint. Panel raised and new boot cowl piece over the panel for stick clearance, and Ipad mount in. Should start Fabric tomorrow or monday...

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DENNY
04-14-2017, 12:13 PM
Are you going to run power to the back seat? Hold down for the rear stick cover? Just thinking of ways to slow ya down.:-)
DENNY

WanaBNACub
04-15-2017, 01:30 AM
Yes! Thanks for reminding me...

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WanaBNACub
04-15-2017, 10:47 AM
I am going away from the standard map pocket on the left hand side for a little more versatile storage on both sides in between the tubes and the boot cowl. Will be able to put a quart of oil, bottle of water, glove and hat in winter, and anything I need to be able to access while flying in there. I am going to also put some kind of net material pocket underneath them for other secure storage.

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Olibuilt
04-15-2017, 05:06 PM
Storage in a Cub is a must. I really like my wing root storage. Use it on every long flight. From sandwich to frozen walleye.


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WanaBNACub
04-15-2017, 05:49 PM
Very nice Oli! I use the open front hoop in my wing root for storage now, and I though about adding more space up there. I really like yours!

WanaBNACub
04-29-2017, 07:54 PM
Lots done in this past week with the help of my buddy Jim who just got back from a 6 month deployment. I cut and installed my two carbon fiber wing root panels and then we tore into the engine. It is all dissasembled and the case and crank have been sent out. All electrical wiring ran that needed to be done before fabric, and I started on the fabric work. I hope to have that done and ready for silver in the next week. Then recover the last wing and start working towards assembly until the engine parts all get in. I have a few parts and instruments on order before I can get going much further on the panel.

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More beautiful Carbon Concepts parts. New wing root panels since I am moving all the electrical out of there and into the panel.

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This was pre-teardown. Very little damage was evident looking it over from the outside. Hopefully inside will follow that trend!

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Judging by the bearing wear and a few other issues it appears that it was not properly rebuilt last time it was majored... It will be this time!

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Cam and crank were in decent shape, but the cylinders needed a little attention and they were orange stripes, so I elected to go with new cylinders while its apart.

WanaBNACub
04-29-2017, 08:01 PM
Fabric work done so far. The bottom and left side of the fuselage are on and preshrunk. Hope to get the right side on tues and then begin the taping.

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cubpilot2
04-29-2017, 10:23 PM
You mentioned that bearing wear and some other things indicated that it hadn't been majored properly.
Would you mind sharing what you saw? Always looking to learn.

WanaBNACub
04-30-2017, 11:20 AM
The buildup in several areas of the case for the amount of hours, along with uneven wear on the bearings mainly. Caused my IA to believe that the case halves weren't done at the last major.

cubpilot2
04-30-2017, 02:41 PM
Are you thinking that they were not torqued properly or not "reworked" as in sending them to Divco in Tulsa for surfacing?
How many hours?

WanaBNACub
04-30-2017, 02:47 PM
Not sent in for surfacing. The motor had 560 hours

skywagon8a
04-30-2017, 03:55 PM
There is no requirement for resurfacing the crank case halves unless there is evidence that they had been fretting.

WanaBNACub
05-26-2017, 12:29 AM
Had to take a break for my daughters wedding and some other life interuptions with finals, and now summer classes, but I am still at it, and now able to spend a few more hours a day than in the past. Hope to have it done in a month, but there is still plenty to do. A quick update on the engine, the bearings were heavily fretted with only 563 hours, and the crank was cracked. Hopefully by the end of the week next week we will have all the engine parts in and start on that. The fabric is complete on all surfaces but the one wing that was undamaged. I decided to go ahead and do that for the experience and to make the whole cub match, and new again... The fuselage is in silver with all of the wet sanding done, and I started repairing the nose bowl, boot cowl, cowling, and cargo pod fiberglass work. Hoping to have it done in a month or less...
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Bill Rusk
05-26-2017, 06:56 AM
Looking good. She is gonna be a beauty. Thanks for posting.

Bill

Riverking
05-26-2017, 10:35 AM
I think your doing a great job and am sure its going to be beautiful when you get done. Hang in there you will be back in the air before you know it.

Jon

WanaBNACub
07-04-2017, 07:05 PM
Its been a long time since I have posted any updates. I have been busting my butt trying to get this project done before the whole summer blows by me. It hasn't been cooperating with me lately though... I made the decision that I would go ahead and recover the "good" wing as well since I am looking to gain fabric experience. My old wing had quite a few flaws in it from the last rebuild so that helped with the decision...

There were 7 or 8 paint runs in it and quite a bit of ringworm

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After stripping the fabric I found a couple other issues, missing wingtip bow braces, missing hardward on one of the flap brackets and some stripped screws. I also wanted to install the atlee outboard tie down, so I was glad I made that decision.

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Its starting to get a little easier. I was able to do the whole fabric job on this wing by myself. I am really starting to enjoy the build as it progresses.

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WanaBNACub
07-04-2017, 07:18 PM
I also finished the repair on the belly pod. That saved me a big expense and turned out satisfactory!

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While I was at it, I fixed the damage in both cowling halves. and got them ready for paint.

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Taping and polybrush done on the wing, time to move on to other tasks...
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Started fabricating the baggage doors

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Started laying out the panel and fitting the instruments

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And removed the springs from the seat replacing it with fabric to save a little more weight.

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WanaBNACub
07-04-2017, 07:41 PM
This day has been a long time coming! This was the first time I have ever painted an airplane so I was a little intimidated when my IA handed me the gun and said get to it. His advice was definitely a big help!

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Its not flawless, but I am really happy with the results! Much better than it was from the last rebuild!

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My gear legs, AOSS and other misc pieces came in, so time to start putting them together. With the help of a my gunsmith with his cnc mill I designed a little lighter weight long step

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My cabane v is not back from powdercoat yet along with the wing parts, so I put a temporary in there for now.

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Its nice to see it back on its feet!

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Now its time to move on to the wiring and panel install... My favorite!

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This actually went smoother than I thought it would...

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This is as far as I can go with it for now. I am missing a few pieces out of the CGR-30P kit so it had to get straightened out. I decided to get back to the baggage door fabrication.

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I have a feeling those are going to be the best mods I did on the plane! So easy to get things in and out!

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And then on to paint!

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Pretty happy with the results

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WanaBNACub
07-04-2017, 07:59 PM
And this get me caught up to where I am today. This week I did quite a few little tedious tasks while my IA had the paint booth tied up, and then I got the tail feathers finished. Hopefully by the end of the week or first of next week I will get going on painting the wings.

Got the brake lines in

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Turn and bank ball installed and leveled

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SIRS compass installed and surprisingly accurate for a panel mount compass. My old one was not at all reliable...

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Rear wing root panels fabbed, painted and installed

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And now the silver on the tail feathers.

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After a day of wet sanding it was on to the paint that I finished up late last night.

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The rudder is staying white, so I laid the gloss coat. I forgot to take a pic of the red tail feathers after the final coat and cleanup so I will have to get that tomorrow. This is after the second color coat.

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I also got the cabane v back from Mark Bills so that got installed while I waited for paint to dry in between coats...

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G44
07-04-2017, 09:52 PM
Great job! One suggestion if I may, you might want to consider swapping positions of your airspeed indicator and altimeter, that way the airspeed indicator is in your line of sight when looking straight ahead or to the left in most landing patterns. Just a thought.

Kurt

WanaBNACub
07-05-2017, 12:23 AM
Ive gone back and forth on that... I had it over there when I put the first hole there. But prior to the rebuild they were in these positions and I got use to flying it that way. That is why they are there. I still might change my mind though...

G44
07-05-2017, 12:43 AM
I would give it some strong consideration. It will take you about 10 minutes if that to get used to the new location and then you will be glad you did it. Although it may not seem like it, looking down quickly in a scan, its a long way to the airspeed indicator if it stays where you have it now. Trust me on this, move it up :-)

WanaBNACub
07-07-2017, 01:24 AM
The tail feathers are dry and installed and I was able to get them partially rigged. Going to finish them in the morning and hopefully get the wings set up ready to spray poly brush and silver on Monday.

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WanaBNACub
07-11-2017, 08:15 PM
Made some more progress over the weekend through today. The wings are now in white and ready to be masked off for red on the tops and leading edges. Hopefully the crank will be in this week and I can get started putting the engine together. Also waiting on a new CGR-30p. The previous one was configured wrong...

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OLDCROWE
07-12-2017, 07:46 AM
Beautiful re-do. If you use panel light dimmers, be sure you put the CGR on its own (it doesn't play well with others) and you're better off if you buy theirs, it saves arguements. Otherwise ENJOY!

Kirby

Eddie Foy
07-12-2017, 07:55 AM
Beautiful re-do. If you use panel light dimmers, be sure you put the CGR on its own (it doesn't play well with others) and you're better off if you buy theirs, it saves arguements. Otherwise ENJOY!

Kirby

I put it on the dimmer they provided and it is still wonky. I don't fly at night, though! Had enough to last me till I croak.

WanaBNACub
07-12-2017, 10:17 AM
Thanks, and thanks for the tip. We were just talking about a panel dimmer and an led light strip to light up the panel.

WanaBNACub
07-13-2017, 10:04 PM
Wings are done and I started on the glass and a few other tasks. Waiting on the crank and one more instrument to show up so I can get the boot cowl on, put the stripes on build the engine and start putting everything together. Its starting to look like a plane again!

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cubdriver2
07-14-2017, 11:56 AM
Looks great. A note on Lexan windows, almost impossible to punch your way out of if there is a next time.

Glenn

WanaBNACub
07-16-2017, 02:49 PM
Also a good topic to think about. Thanks! The side slider windows are acrylic and break relatively easy. If I cant get out through there, hopefully I would be able to get out the door. The rest of the windows would be difficult to get out through. My new cargo door would be the easiest opening to get out through. Not sure how easy the aluminum would be to break open from the inside but cant imagine it would be too difficult.

mike mcs repair
07-16-2017, 10:22 PM
Also a good topic to think about. Thanks! The side slider windows are acrylic and break relatively easy. If I cant get out through there, hopefully I would be able to get out the door. The rest of the windows would be difficult to get out through. My new cargo door would be the easiest opening to get out through. Not sure how easy the aluminum would be to break open from the inside but cant imagine it would be too difficult.

the fish spotters didn't like Lexan... problematic with polarized glasses...

Steve Pierce
07-17-2017, 06:47 AM
My left triangle window is evidently Lexan because it jacks with me when wearing sun glasses.

WanaBNACub
07-17-2017, 11:42 PM
I gave up wearing polarized sunglasses and had to get a new pair of sunglasses for flying because of that. I can imagine fish spotting would be a little more difficult through lexan...

stewartb
07-18-2017, 12:17 PM
Why polycarbonate? That decision surprised me.

WanaBNACub
07-18-2017, 12:26 PM
Mostly weight savings. I went with thinner stuff on the top/rear and door/window glass since polycarbonate is stronger. I welded tabs in place in the center of the top and rear glass to hold it in place and limit vibration. Also like that it doesn't crack near as easy where ever we had to drill it.

stewartb
07-18-2017, 12:44 PM
We'll have to compare your polycarb to my acrylic in a year or so, to see how they compare after a year of rain, snow, dust, etc. I don't have a clue if one has an advantage but it'd be good to know.

The plane's looking good. How much interior/panel stuff is left to do?

WanaBNACub
07-18-2017, 12:51 PM
I would like to see the longevity of both as well. Good idea! The stuff we used on the skylight and top rear is the scratch resistant polycarbonate, so hopefully it helps some. I think for the most part the interior and panel are done. A few stickers to put on, and after I hang the wings I will put the sight guages in. The engine rebuild is the biggest task after I get the rest of the painting/stripes done.

WanaBNACub
07-18-2017, 01:49 PM
Made a bunch more progress in the last two days. I got the landing lights in the wings, acrylic slider windows made, boot cowl on, new false boot cowl made, finished the installation of the CGR-30P and panel wiring, and laid out the stripes for paint. Also put the trim pieces in that I made a few days ago. Even sat in it and made airplane noises...

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WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 12:48 PM
I have made a ton of progress in the past 2 weeks and got way behind on putting pictures up on here. I will try to update everything today. The CGR-30P, Radio, and intercom all test good. That was a big relief!https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20232942_10210254949273035_8880778647494880232_o.j pg?oh=510c0b0ee7146d23f4ea57e3bc9793f8&oe=59F2EF3D

LED tail light is also extremely bright!

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I finished the masking and painted the stripes

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Got all the glass in and trim pieces painted and installed. The Dakota 24 gallon wing tanks are in and plumbed, and electrical hooked up to the wings.

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G44
08-05-2017, 12:53 PM
I really like your "N" number fonts! Everything looking great!

WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 12:54 PM
Its always painful though making that first cut into brand new fabric and paint... https://www.facebook.com/images/emoji.php/v9/fcb/2/16/1f631.png But all the access panels are cut out and covers installed.


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LED panel lights are either red, white or both. and have a dimmer to dim them way down if necessary. The Garmin 296 is wired into the CGR-30p so I can put in

my flight plan and know if there is going to be enough fuel to make the trip.
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Got the fuel sight guages in. The wing roots are so clean and simple without all the electrical in there...

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WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 01:03 PM
Door, side window and door seal is finished. This is going to be really nice in the winter. That door seals up tight!

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Here is a close up of the door seal. I put the lexan in the brake and formed it to fit snugly all the way around the door, it was pretty tedious, but will pay off this winter!

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Pitot/static lines are in and hooked up

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All the cables are ran and struts are on, except for the front jury struts. The wrong ones were installed during the last rebuild so I had to get two new fronts.

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WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 01:09 PM
Just about done with all the painting I think. I am sure something small will come up, but should be close

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WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 01:18 PM
And this is the final post for this week. Just about ready to wrap this thing up until I get a crank. Have to put the wing root trim in on Monday, install the pod and a few little things and I will be at a stand still. Going to start painting all the engine pieces and getting ready to assemble as soon as the crank shows up.

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Flaps and ailerons are all installed and rigged. Have to get the Carbon covers from Randy next week and I can put them on and safety wire the cables.

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Cant wait to get the Keller Flaps installed, but looking forward to flying it for a couple months to see just how big of a difference they make when I do put them on.

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Seat belts and harnesses are all in, and the interior is completely finished.

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WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 01:20 PM
So far I am going on 9 months for the rebuild and 1084 hours. Should have a little over 1200 hours when it is all done...

OLDCROWE
08-05-2017, 01:28 PM
Very nice, and I like the black pitot it looks really good and will maybe be a head bump deterrent. If you didn't have a full glass door before you're and anyone in the back seat is going to love it...

Kirby

WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 01:36 PM
I am not sure if that is going to help or not... I have already bumped into it once. In my defense I had my hands full and was focused on the task at hand.

The door will definitely be nice for visibility and no air leaks this winter!

WanaBNACub
08-05-2017, 01:44 PM
I forgot to post a picture of my rear seat heat solution. I fabricated an aluminum adapter to attach scat tube to my heat box. Then made a diverter to take some of the heat out to the front seat, and the rest goes to the back tube that the passenger can put anywhere to direct heat where its needed.

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Chicken Hawk
08-05-2017, 04:38 PM
Looking good!
Thanks for sharing.

skywagon8a
08-06-2017, 05:32 AM
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I'm curious, why did you close the hot air outlet scoops on the lower cowl? If your newly overhauled engine runs hot, this would be the first thing to look at.

Steve Pierce
08-06-2017, 08:37 AM
I'm curious, why did you close the hot air outlet scoops on the lower cowl? If your newly overhauled engine runs hot, this would be the first thing to look at.

The cowl comes with the Cub Crafters 180 HP conversion like that.

Steve Pierce
08-06-2017, 08:38 AM
Looking good Cory, I know you must be getting anxious.

Steve Pierce
08-06-2017, 08:47 AM
Its always painful though making that first cut into brand new fabric and paint... https://www.facebook.com/images/emoji.php/v9/fcb/2/16/1f631.png But all the access panels are cut out and covers installed.


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I posted this on your Facebook post and I will post it here. I save these cut outs. They make great fabric patches later on. I cut circles out with pining shears and glue them on via Stewarts glue.

WanaBNACub
08-07-2017, 12:10 AM
I'm curious, why did you close the hot air outlet scoops on the lower cowl? If your newly overhauled engine runs hot, this would be the first thing to look at.

Thanks for the heads up Skywagon8a. As Steve said, its a stock Cub Crafters 180hp conversion cowling. Before the rebuild it ran really cool with that cowling. Definitely going to keep an eye on it with the new engine monitor.


Looking good Cory, I know you must be getting anxious.

Yes I am! Its getting really close and its been way too long! :-P

cubpilot2
08-07-2017, 10:55 AM
Cory:
I noticed that your fuel Gage's have more of a "tilt" then the stock ones. Is that due to the Dakota tanks? Are their gage outlets placed different then the stock tanks?

DENNY
08-07-2017, 11:21 AM
I was thinking the same thing about that lower cowl but noticed that they are backward from my stock lower cowl. If you opened the front I think they would hurt not help cooling. It would be interesting to hear why they did it that, less drag? If you are into production it is faster to just stamp in some bumps for looks and not open them. I think 20 years ago people did not pay that much attention to proper engine cooling i.e. single cylinder EGT/CHT.
DENNY

Edit:
I went and looked at my cub. If you cut out the back section and added the interior ramp it would work fine and the exterior would look cleaner. Maybe that is what they had in mind.

WanaBNACub
08-07-2017, 11:35 AM
Cory:
I noticed that your fuel Gage's have more of a "tilt" then the stock ones. Is that due to the Dakota tanks? Are their gage outlets placed different then the stock tanks?

Yes, to keep the bottom of the guages level with the tank outlet it had to be raised up. Previously it was not and would trap fuel in the bottom of the guage so it would always show something even when it was about dry.

Eddie Foy
08-07-2017, 11:49 AM
I had my gauges mounted like you. They had no markings indicating top or bottom. I bought a new one from Univair. It is marked top on one end.

I mounted it with that mark at the top and rotated the other one. I.E. 180 degrees from yours.

The downside of that is that you can't see the ball on a full tank.

The upside is that you can see the ball longer as it runs empty. Before, the ball would disappear with about 3 or 4 gallons left.

IMHO
YMMV

mike mcs repair
08-07-2017, 01:19 PM
So far I am going on 9 months for the rebuild and 1084 hours. Should have a little over 1200 hours when it is all done...

thats about right amount of hours....

Just don't let Christina(on here) see that post.... (old post on here) :evil:

PA-22/20-160
08-07-2017, 04:27 PM
Takes me 1100-1200 hours for a complete rebuild and I've done a few so I'd say you did good for your 1st time.

mike mcs repair
08-07-2017, 05:02 PM
Takes me 1100-1200 hours for a complete rebuild and I've done a few so I'd say you did good for your 1st time.

And depending on how many parts you fabricate, compared to just buying and installing normal ones.


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Steve Pierce
08-07-2017, 06:22 PM
Here are some pictures of gauges I have on hand. Farley is out of a 1972 model Super Cub and match what is in my 72. Middle is new Univair and far right are out of a 1982 model. Looks like Piper changed over the years.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170807/b32f1623fdb4ad33cf0fcf13e08aecbc.jpg

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WanaBNACub
08-23-2017, 11:52 PM
Not sure what the purpose is of even having one end different than the other... Would have been much better to have as much of the sight glass showing top and bottom...

mike mcs repair
08-24-2017, 12:20 AM
Not sure what the purpose is of even having one end different than the other... Would have been much better to have as much of the sight glass showing top and bottom...

you want the gas showing in glass and MARKED at the bottom as to where engine gets quiet... not just SOMETIME after it disappeared behind the aluminum gauge body.... alway fill, drain, then calibrate gauges and a dip stick...

WanaBNACub
08-24-2017, 12:46 AM
Its been a while since I updated, but not too much has been going on the past two weeks. I picked up and installed the tank covers and aileron pulley covers, and spent a day just tying up some loose ends... Then I started cleaning, painting and organizing engine parts so all I have left is assemble the engine and then break it in! I am pretty much at a stand still until that crank comes in now...

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Tank covers and pulley covers are installed and everything in the interior is finished...

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And then I disassembled, cleaned painted and repacked the tailwheel after a thorough inspection. This is one part that see's some heavy abuse so I wanted to make sure it was in good condition.

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With all the extra time on my hands I decided to fabricate new side baffles rather than repair my old ones again.

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At the suggestion of a couple other mechanics I am going to still put a joint in them between the two cylinders to keep them from cracking in the future.

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Then on the engine parts to paint...

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This was almost too pretty to paint!

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But I had to!

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Then I blasted and used a ceramic paint on the exhaust to see if it helps it hold up a little better than it has. Had to heat it to 300 degrees for 30 minutes to start curing it. It will continue to "bake" during the break in. Then I installed the EGT probes for the CGR-30P

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Brand new cylinders, pistons, and cam all ready to go in a few days! Crank should be here by the end of the week.

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PA-22/20-160
08-24-2017, 07:11 AM
Why not use the clips on your turn buckles, and you might have a few to many threads showing.

spinner2
08-24-2017, 07:54 AM
Too bad you're still waiting on the crank Cory. That's been a long time.

I saw Cory and his project last month and can say he has really done a nice job on it. And it has a very light weight look and feel to it. It will be interesting to hear what the new empty weight is.

32570

I like those stripes ��

mike mcs repair
08-24-2017, 10:15 AM
that turn buckle is not legal/safe, 3 threads max

WanaBNACub
08-24-2017, 10:30 AM
Thanks I had a few people point out the turnbuckle in another group as well and it has since been corrected. I had plenty of adjustment on the other side to get it less than three threads. I also put a razor blade between the cable strands and the cable and used a dremel tool to cut them off flush. Looks a whole lot better now and I wont be poking my fingers. That is what I love about these groups. PA22, what clips are you referring to?

WanaBNACub
08-24-2017, 10:35 AM
Too bad you're still waiting on the crank Cory. That's been a long time.

I saw Cory and his project last month and can say he has really done a nice job on it. And it has a very light weight look and feel to it. It will be interesting to hear what the new empty weight is.

32570

I like those stripes ��

Thanks Dan! It was great to catch up with you again! Sounds like you had a pretty good trip! ;-)

wireweinie
08-24-2017, 11:19 AM
PA22, what clips are you referring to?

Look up base number MS21251- . Match the exact number to the size/style turnbuckle you're using. Just note that the turnbuckle has to be grooved for these clips (yours are).

Web

mike mcs repair
08-24-2017, 11:30 AM
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Reeves has them in stock. FYI they're not reusable

WanaBNACub
08-24-2017, 11:37 AM
Thanks! I will pick some up. Looks simple enough!

WanaBNACub
09-02-2017, 10:13 PM
So on August 25th I finally got a crank after ordering one 4 1/2 months before and kept getting constantly slipping delivery dates. Very frustrated with a certain company... I spent the last week working some really long days and several nights when I didn't have classes. I am pretty burnt out, but the light at the end of the tunnel is really bright! The hangar is closed for the long weekend so I have it as far as I can until I get some help to rig it and then do the weight and balance. Should be flying by mid week next week!

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New cam as well

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New engine parts are just plain sexy!

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Assembly went very well. All the clearances were dead on.

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The only engines I have ever assembled were a 4.3 vortec chevy and a few small engines over the years. It was pretty fun learning exactly how these go together. The knowledge I have gained during this build has been priceless! Definitely glad I was at a point in life that I could dedicate the time and effort required to build every part of the plane myself in a relatively short time frame...

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After fabbing new baffling I have a new respect for Airforms. It would have been worth it to go with their baffles for sure, but I am pretty proud of how these turned out, and I had the time on my hands while I was waiting for the crank.

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Everything is on and ready to put on the plane. Had to wait a day for hangar space to pull it back over.

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And this is the latest picture from this morning. She is just about ready to fire up on Tues! Hoping to get the cowling all put back together, rig the wings and do the weight and balance. Very excited and a little nervous to get her back in the air!

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skipster
09-03-2017, 07:53 AM
Love your low range air speed gage. Who makes it and where did you get it?

skywagon8a
09-03-2017, 08:06 AM
Love your low range air speed gage. Who makes it and where did you get it?
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/avionics_instruments/av/menus/in/airspeedindicators_skysports.html
and
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/categories/avionics_instruments/av/menus/in/airspeedindicators_falcon.html

WanaBNACub
09-03-2017, 12:14 PM
I think it's is a falcon and came from Aircraft Spruce.

cubdriver2
09-03-2017, 12:20 PM
My ASI goes to zero but doesn't move till about 25mph. But it might be my flip up pitot cover

Glenn

cubpilot2
09-03-2017, 12:39 PM
Do you recall the part number / link for the airspeed? I need one as well but the ones that I have checked are only for Exp. useage and made in China. The markings on yours look good so I assume it was a custom order.

The Cub is looking good! Long hours will take its toll on you so get lots of rest and recheck everything twice or more before you fly.

Congratulations on the completion.

wireweinie
09-03-2017, 01:46 PM
Do you recall the part number / link for the airspeed? I need one as well but the ones that I have checked are only for Exp. useage and made in China. The markings on yours look good so I assume it was a custom order.

I don't believe anything Falcon makes is 'certified', tso'd, etc. I've seen several fail accuracy checks right out of the box. Your airplane, your choice. Just be careful.

If you want good markings at the low end, go to the Wings & Wheels website and look at Winters ASI gauges. Accurate, light weight and made for gliders. They have the usual style and also one that uses a needle that goes around one and a half times. The markings are on a spiral pattern. Since they are designed for gliders, the low end markings are VERY wide apart.

And if you feel the need for paperwork, they are JAA certified which most faa types will accept for field approval.

Web

skywagon8a
09-03-2017, 02:01 PM
Also if you are interested in accuracy throughout the range, you will need to be certain that the pitot tube is within 10 degrees of the airflow. At the low speed end that angle will likely be exceeded. My airspeed is accurate between 40 and 160 mph. Below 40 the error is 5 mph or more.

PA-22/20-160
09-03-2017, 05:08 PM
32648This one is certified and made in USA 20-160 mph http://www.aircraftspruce.com/pages/in/airspeedindicators_uma/UMAtso_asi.php

CamTom12
09-03-2017, 06:56 PM
My ASI goes to zero but doesn't move till about 25mph. But it might be my flip up pitot cover

Glenn

I've not seen any that come off the peg lower than that. There's just not enough total pressure that's aligned with the tube to get them working any slower than that.

In my limited experience, anyway.

WanaBNACub
09-03-2017, 07:01 PM
I am going to have to look again when I get to the hangar. I know it is the certified airspeed. May not be a falcon then.

cubscout
09-03-2017, 10:58 PM
I've flown a couple Supercubs with appropriately marked certified helicopter ASI's. Good resolution at the low end, where it's useful, but still limited by the AOA of the pitot tube, as well static system, if any. And +1 on Wirewienie's suggestion of Winter, although I personally dislike the 1-1/2 revolution units: Much harder to read/process at a glance. And in the end, it's really about learning to fly pitch angle, although a good ASI is a helpful crossreference.

Thanks. cubscout

Bill Rusk
09-03-2017, 11:03 PM
Looks GREAT. A really nice looking Cub.

You might get spanked for your tail number lettering. I like it but here is what the reg says......




Applicable Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14cfr45_main_02.tpl)
14 CFR Part 45, Identification and Registration Marking, prescribes the requirements of aircraft registration numbers.
Required Physical AttributesFor most fixed-wing aircraft, the marks must meet the following requirements:


Height: 12 inches
Width: two-thirds wide as they are high
The number "1" must be one-sixth as wide as high
Letters "M" and "W" may be as high as they are wide
Thickness: solid lines one-sixth as thick as the character is high
Spacing: no less than one-fourth of the character width
Uniformity: same height, width, thickness, and spacing on both sides of the aircraft.
The following aircraft may display marks at least 2 inches high:


Aircraft that had 2-inch markings displayed before November 1, 1981, and an aircraft manufactured after November 2, 1981, but before January 1, 1983, may display those marks until the aircraft has been repainted, restored, or changed.
Antique/classic aircraft: Aircraft built at least 30 years ago, or an aircraft issued an experimental certificate under FAR 21.191(d) or (g) (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.9.8.11.14&idno=14) for operation as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built that has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may display marks at least 2 inches high.


Just don't want you to get blind sighted.

Bill

mike mcs repair
09-03-2017, 11:31 PM
Also if you are interested in accuracy throughout the range, you will need to be certain that the pitot tube is within 10 degrees of the airflow. At the low speed end that angle will likely be exceeded. ...

I bet this issue could be dealt with partially by changing the angle/cut of the END of the pitot tube.... strait on full flow, slow presents larger OVAL because of cut angle........ hmmmm, gonna have to ponder that...

skywagon8a
09-04-2017, 04:55 AM
I bet this issue could be dealt with partially by changing the angle/cut of the END of the pitot tube.... strait on full flow, slow presents larger OVAL because of cut angle........ hmmmm, gonna have to ponder that...
Mike, pointing the tube down about 10 degrees at cruise will give you about 20 degree range. Cutting the END as you suggest could induce turbulence at the tip thus generating further error. As with most everything one must experiment to find the optimum angle. In this case with the low number indicator, tipping the pitot down a bit will improve the low speed numbers.

Jim Hann
09-04-2017, 08:59 PM
I had a buddy have this exact problem when he was trying to get his E-AB certificated this summer. Luckily his number was vinyl so he just went back to the shop.


Looks GREAT. A really nice looking Cub.

You might get spanked for your tail number lettering. I like it but here is what the reg says......




Applicable Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&tpl=/ecfrbrowse/Title14/14cfr45_main_02.tpl)
14 CFR Part 45, Identification and Registration Marking, prescribes the requirements of aircraft registration numbers.
Required Physical AttributesFor most fixed-wing aircraft, the marks must meet the following requirements:


Height: 12 inches
Width: two-thirds wide as they are high
The number "1" must be one-sixth as wide as high
Letters "M" and "W" may be as high as they are wide
Thickness: solid lines one-sixth as thick as the character is high
Spacing: no less than one-fourth of the character width
Uniformity: same height, width, thickness, and spacing on both sides of the aircraft.
The following aircraft may display marks at least 2 inches high:


Aircraft that had 2-inch markings displayed before November 1, 1981, and an aircraft manufactured after November 2, 1981, but before January 1, 1983, may display those marks until the aircraft has been repainted, restored, or changed.
Antique/classic aircraft: Aircraft built at least 30 years ago, or an aircraft issued an experimental certificate under FAR 21.191(d) or (g) (http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.9.8.11.14&idno=14) for operation as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built that has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may display marks at least 2 inches high.


Just don't want you to get blind sighted.

Bill

WanaBNACub
09-04-2017, 09:58 PM
Looks GREAT. A really nice looking Cub.

You might get spanked for your tail number lettering. I like it but here is what the reg says......


Thanks! Ya, my IA and I had this discussion a month or so ago. I have new block letters ready to go on, I just haven't done it yet. Should probably do that in the next few days. Hoping to fire it up for the first time tomorrow if everything works out.

WanaBNACub
09-04-2017, 10:04 PM
Love your low range air speed gage. Who makes it and where did you get it?

I double checked the Airspeed indicator today. It is a United Instruments guage.

mike mcs repair
09-04-2017, 10:25 PM
Thanks! Ya, my IA and I had this discussion a month or so ago. I have new block letters ready to go on, I just haven't done it yet. Should probably do that in the next few days. Hoping to fire it up for the first time tomorrow if everything works out.

DON"T put them on yet.... fed's always gotta find a couple things to grumble about... make them easy for them to find..

skywagon8a
09-05-2017, 04:38 AM
DON"T put them on yet.... fed's always gotta find a couple things to grumble about... make them easy for them to find..
Why do the FEDs need to look at this plane? Isn't it already certificated and he's working with an IA?

WanaBNACub
09-06-2017, 11:13 AM
Yesterday was a really big day that has been a long time coming! I put in about 13 hours and just about got her finished up. Should be firing it up on Thursday after a few cowling tweaks. Other than that she is complete. I will also be doing the weight and balance sometime Thursday. I have worked pretty hard to lighten it up a little so I am anxious to find out if it paid off! Engine break in will begin as soon as the logbooks are finished up.

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mike mcs repair
09-06-2017, 03:12 PM
I always wished I owned scales, so I could get a true BEFORE weight, that is accurate...

cubpilot2
09-06-2017, 06:32 PM
What prop are you running?

stewartb
09-08-2017, 11:49 AM
The next three days look ideal for breaking in an engine and scraping some rust off the pilot. Enjoy!

WanaBNACub
09-09-2017, 12:11 PM
What prop are you running?

For break in I have my cruise prop on it. A Sensinich 76EM8-0-54. In a week or so I am going to be trying out a Sensenich W80CM8 wood/fiberglass composite prop until the Catto's get certified. Waiting on the spacer plates to show up.

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21427147_10210625259890569_5251253592859183195_o.j pg?oh=c1b59606f090953cf44a63def384d25e&oe=5A15D2F8

WanaBNACub
09-09-2017, 12:19 PM
Well, the cub is finished, paperwork is all done, and break in has begun. 1.7 hours on it yesterday and even with the cruise prop I can tell there are several performance increases. Still too early to tell just how much better, but I am very impressed so far. I shaved over 89 lbs off of it during the rebuild. My dry weight prior to the rebuild was 1305 with the 0-360, 35's and belly pod. My new final weight after the build was 1215.5 dry with the 0-360, 35's and pod. That is with the 34.5lb sensenich prop. The new W80CM8 prop weighs 17lbs, so it will be a sub 1200# 180hp cub.

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DJ
09-09-2017, 06:03 PM
Very Cool! Congrats! 89 lbs is really amazing!...and motivational!

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RaisedByWolves
09-09-2017, 06:07 PM
For break in I have my cruise prop on it. A Sensinich 76EM8-0-54. In a week or so I am going to be trying out a Sensenich W80CM8 wood/fiberglass composite prop until the Catto's get certified. Waiting on the spacer plates to show up.

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21427147_10210625259890569_5251253592859183195_o.j pg?oh=c1b59606f090953cf44a63def384d25e&oe=5A15D2F8
I'm interested in hearing how it works. I've never seen one with out the clear varnish on it. That looks sweet. I wonder how it holds up in the rain.



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mike mcs repair
09-09-2017, 06:27 PM
what was your total hours into rebuild project(labor)

WanaBNACub
09-09-2017, 09:13 PM
I'm interested in hearing how it works. I've never seen one with out the clear varnish on it. That looks sweet. I wonder how it holds up in the rain.
It should, with the fiberglass covering now and the nickel leading edge and tip. That was the only real complaint I heard from anyone that ran the older version of it. I will keep you posted!


what was your total hours into rebuild project(labor)
The last time I totaled it up I was just over 1200. There was probably another 30-50 since then.

WanaBNACub
09-09-2017, 10:02 PM
Pretty impressed with the performance so far. Anxious to see if it keeps improving as it loosens up a bit. 1000+fpm climb out at 2610 rpms and 86mph with the 54 pitch cruise prop...https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21551673_10210632389868814_8084715009063630342_o.j pg?oh=01dc5b835d2a23cd04c283d4aba6b720&oe=5A49B6FC


https://www.facebook.com/cory.kittle/videos/10210619998559039/

1934A
09-10-2017, 08:01 AM
Gorgeous plane! I love the paint scheme! Looking forward to hearing about how she performs! Congratulations on a job extremely well done:up

WanaBNACub
09-10-2017, 03:05 PM
So far I am very happy with it! Anxious to get that prop and see just how well it does! For us certified guys that cant run the Catto's yet, I think it will be a great alternative. Not much out there for the 0-360 guys...

cubpilot2
09-10-2017, 03:21 PM
What did the new prop cost?

RaisedByWolves
09-10-2017, 03:32 PM
So far I am very happy with it! Anxious to get that prop and see just how well it does! For us certified guys that cant run the Catto's yet, I think it will be a great alternative. Not much out there for the 0-360 guys...

Fiberglass instead of varnish? All the wood prop guys complain about the rain eating the varnish. That sounds like it will fix that problem.


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PA-22/20-160
09-10-2017, 04:31 PM
Fiberglass instead of varnish? All the wood prop guys complain about the rain eating the varnish. That sounds like it will fix that problem.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalklooks a lot like a Catto but has an STC

skywagon8a
09-10-2017, 05:00 PM
What did the new prop cost?
This is a list of new Sensenich props to fit the O-360 along with the price. I don't see the one which WanaBNACub has in the box. None of these has the original leading edge which his has.

WanaBNACub
09-10-2017, 05:23 PM
What did the new prop cost?

I believe it was $3400 plus shipping. Could have been $3400 total.


Fiberglass instead of varnish? All the wood prop guys complain about the rain eating the varnish. That sounds like it will fix that problem.

From what I have heard, the only complaint anyone had that use to run them was the water erosion and delamination it caused. Suposedly the fiberglass and new nickel edge fixed that. It sounds like they are performing really well.


This is a list of new Sensenich props to fit the O-360 along with the price. I don't see the one which WanaBNACub has in the box. None of these has the original leading edge which his has.

There was no attachment or list skywagon. I believe the original leading edge was stainless, and there were still issues with it. This is the W80CM8 44, they all come with the nickel leading edge now I believe and you have a choice of a nickel tip or resin tip. When you call to order it they will ask you all those questions.

skywagon8a
09-10-2017, 05:45 PM
Opps! I guess I forgot to click the mouse button. Here it is. http://www.sensenich.com/products/browse/14/5/217/0

This is yours: http://www.sensenich.com/products/browse/14/5/217/0/10

WanaBNACub
09-10-2017, 05:53 PM
Opps! I guess I forgot to click the mouse button. Here it is. http://www.sensenich.com/products/browse/14/5/217/0

This is yours: http://www.sensenich.com/products/browse/14/5/217/0/10

Yes, that is it. The nickel leading edge and tip add a little to the cost.

Steve Pierce
09-11-2017, 05:44 AM
I wonder how these perform on the O-320. Cn't wait to hear your PIREP on the new prop. Did you have a 1A200 on it before?

WanaBNACub
09-11-2017, 09:42 AM
I wonder how these perform on the O-320. Cn't wait to hear your PIREP on the new prop. Did you have a 1A200 on it before?

All of the reports that led to my decision to run this were from 0-320s except for one. All reports were from a while ago and said performance was very, very good. They almost all also said that the props don't like the rain or brush. Sensenich assures me though, that the fiberglass coating and nickel leading edge took care of that. We will see. Yes 1A200 and 76em6 before. A PA-12 that just had an 0-360 swap at precision plus is also going to put one on this week, and he was running the 1A200 as well. So there will be at least 2 reports. And possibly a third...

G44
09-11-2017, 10:26 AM
VERY nice airplane! All that hard work paid off, you have an airplane you can enjoy and be proud of. Good for you! Keep us posted on the break in and the new prop.

Tgskillskill
09-11-2017, 11:33 AM
Cory,

There's one photo where I could sort of see the tops of your finished wings.. Did you use a carbon fiber panel vs. aluminum ones for your 24 gallon tank covers? Remember the weight savings by chance, and did you have to do anything special for paperwork (I would assume not)?

Cheers,
Jeff

WanaBNACub
09-12-2017, 12:23 PM
Cory,

There's one photo where I could sort of see the tops of your finished wings.. Did you use a carbon fiber panel vs. aluminum ones for your 24 gallon tank covers? Remember the weight savings by chance, and did you have to do anything special for paperwork (I would assume not)?

Cheers,
Jeff

Yes, those are Randy Apling's (Carbon Concepts) 24 gal tank covers. They are 7 lbs lighter for the pair than the Dakota covers and require no paperwork other than a logbook entry.

RaisedByWolves
10-18-2017, 04:25 PM
For break in I have my cruise prop on it. A Sensinich 76EM8-0-54. In a week or so I am going to be trying out a Sensenich W80CM8 wood/fiberglass composite prop until the Catto's get certified. Waiting on the spacer plates to show up.

https://scontent-frt3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/21427147_10210625259890569_5251253592859183195_o.j pg?oh=c1b59606f090953cf44a63def384d25e&oe=5A15D2F8


Hows the prop working cory?

WanaBNACub
10-18-2017, 06:42 PM
Hows the prop working cory?

We ordered 2 when we ordered them. One was for a 0-360 PA-12 and one for mine. The one that we put on the -12 was a little over a week prior to me finishing mine. He flew it for a few weeks and the nickel leading edge started cracking around the pins that hold it on through the wood. It looked like maybe they ground the welds too thin when they were finishing it. We have sent that one back to get repaired. So far mine it has held up good, but I only have about 5 hours on it. As far as performance, it is noticeably lighter, spools up fast and has pretty good performance for a 80" 44 pitch prop (the only cruise pitch they offer) . My real concern so far is with longevity... I will keep you posted!


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skywagon8a
10-19-2017, 05:32 AM
..He flew it for a few weeks and the nickel leading edge started cracking around the pins that hold it on through the wood. It looked like maybe they ground the welds too thin when they were finishing it. We have sent that one back to get repaired.
That's interesting. It's been a long time since I last worked on a wood prop. Those "pins" were wood screws and the "welds" were nothing more than solder to safety the screws. An old fashioned soldering iron was used to melt the solder in place. Do you have a picture of the cracks? It sounds as though it was the solder that cracked. Perhaps the "new" solder without lead didn't adhere as well?

WanaBNACub
11-12-2017, 08:09 PM
Thought I would update everyone on the prop. I have about 15 hours on it now and it seams to be holding up well. Lots of gravel bar landings and a few brushy spots. I try to avoid any brush with it, but have clipped a few that were unavoidable.

I also spent the weekend With Randy Apling at Carbon Concepts learning how to make carbon fiber parts. He has this stuff down and makes some really nice stuff!

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