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ndill
07-25-2015, 05:38 PM
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/ALPA-Opposes-GA-Medical-Reform-Effort-224552-1.html

You know someday you guys will be old someday and might need this to keep flying.

Eddie Foy
07-25-2015, 06:01 PM
Makes me happy that American Airlines split off from ALPA. I have found that there is a distrust or bias against airline types in this community. This crap doesn't help. I am one retired airline captain who is 100% in favor.

I add the caveat that you owe it to yourself, your family. and the people you might endanger to not fly with serious issues. You should be the best judge of your ability to safely fly. If you abuse it, nothing good will happen. There will be some who will fly with conditions that should disqualify them. I hope these instances will be few and far between. Please don't do it. For yourself and all of us.

8GCBC
07-25-2015, 06:08 PM
The letter is pure propaganda. I thought it was a stinking joke at first. Nothing to support it.

bob turner
07-25-2015, 08:03 PM
Yeah - I too am disappointed by ALPA's stance.

What possible damage could be done to an airliner if a private pilot should croak while on an airway? Does the wreckage strew itself along the airway, fluttering down to the altitudes known to have airliners in them?

It cannot be the ALPA rank and file that decided this - it has to be politics.

ndill
07-25-2015, 08:46 PM
You would think after all the recent BMI/neck size stuff that that the union would be happy to get one over on FAA aero med. I don't blame the rank and file this is
just one hand washing the other Washington politics.

aviationinfo
07-26-2015, 11:14 AM
I am extremely disappointed with ALPA over this and have reached out to some friends who may be able to shed some light.

Interestingly, I might point out that there are plenty of ALPA members I have worked with over time who are probably not fit enough to walk around the block at a fast pace, that certify under the present system twice a year. (No offense intended Randy). I also have a hard time believing the letter when it implies they are looking for solutions to the 3rd Class Medical issue. Are we to believe they're paying their lobbyist(s) to help something that doesn't apply to their members?

Exactly where do they think their future members are coming from?

aviationinfo
07-26-2015, 12:00 PM
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=3a7ce73f-e860-4b3c-841a-ceaa63d5f1c4

Cub junkie
07-26-2015, 12:11 PM
I'm not surprised by this. In my short 34 years of airline flying I have learned that about 98% of ALPA pilots could give a sh*t about flying light aircraft in their off hours. I know there are exceptions but most are too busy thinking about golf, boats, stock portfolios and their place at the lake. I didn't learn to fly in a 747 but many ALPA morons have their head up their a** and don't think about this stuff. Pure politics for sure. As mentioned above, there is plenty of walking dead in the airline ranks hence the BMI dilemma.

Eddie Foy
07-26-2015, 12:38 PM
I'm not surprised by this. In my short 34 years of airline flying I have learned that about 98% of ALPA pilots could give a sh*t about flying light aircraft in their off hours. I know there are exceptions but most are too busy thinking about golf, boats, stock portfolios and their place at the lake. I didn't learn to fly in a 747 but many ALPA morons have their head up their a** and don't think about this stuff. Pure politics for sure. As mentioned above, there is plenty of walking dead in the airline ranks hence the BMI dilemma.

Also unfortunately true. That said I still never saw a significant bias against GA as the two operate in different worlds. You might occasionally call one a "bug smasher" but that is about as far as it goes.

WindOnHisNose
07-26-2015, 05:56 PM
This is a most unfortunate situation. I find this to be so offensive, and I hope the membership will come down hard on the leadership. Their letter is akin to the stance taken by the Civil Aviation Medical Association (CAMA), when they chose to overlook the wealth of data which demonstrated that AOPA/EAA petition of two years ago was sound and based upon good information.

The stance taken by ALPA certainly undermines the credibility of their organization.

Randy

Bill Rusk
07-26-2015, 10:12 PM
25 years ago, before I was ever in the industry, I formed an opinion of ALPA. Nothing, and I mean nothing, has occurred to change that opinion in 25 years. But, you know what they say.....

"If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"

My opinion of ALPA is...............................


Bill

bob turner
07-26-2015, 11:17 PM
Well, ALPA did me no personal favors either - but one of the reasons I became an airline pilot is that it paid better than radar systems engineering. One of the reasons it paid better was ALPA. If you want to be labor, as in being an engineer or pilot, you need an organization with teeth. Doctors have one - the AMA. Engineers have several, but they are so conservative that they will not use them to negotiate salaries or working conditions.

ALPA needs to be called out on this one by its members.

WindOnHisNose
07-27-2015, 12:14 AM
Many years ago I was encouraged to honor those who served as mentors to me, to send them a note thanking them for the impact they had on my life, on my career.

The proposal, which ALPA rejects, would likely enable those who taught their members to fly to continue to safely fly in aircraft in which they have thousands of hours flight time. I call major BS on these arrogant leaders who appear to have forgotten that there are those older flight instructors who showed patience as they taught them to fly, and who find themselves stymied by the fact that the FAA subjects them to relatively unreasonable medical standards that keep them out of the air flying those venerable C150's, C152's, C172's, etc, when the data reveals that they are quite safe, quite reliable. I would challenge ALPA's leaders to look their 70 year old flight instructor in the eye and tell them that the this legislation is not only good for them, but that it would keep them doing what they love to do, and to do so safely.

Arrogant as....es!

Randy

Cub junkie
07-27-2015, 12:35 AM
Sorry, forget politically correct, any ALPA asshat that spews this BS in person to me will get a fist in the face. I'm tired of making nice. I know a lot of ALPA dudes, I may be busy. Not to worry, I have a good lawyer.

mghallen
07-27-2015, 02:02 AM
ALPA, yep they stabbed the flight attendants union in the back, controllers, other pilot groups. Then they cry foul when people cross their picket line. Management teams might have acted as asshats, but at least some knew they were dealing with a bunch of over priveledged punks (sorry only some are that way, but bad apple and the barrel). If this is a true letter then shame on ALPA.

I remember when I was young and airline pilot was gracious, polite, skilled, and consideriate of the customer. I have jumpseated with some in the last few years that had a free ride and belive they are the privilidged elite. Divided we standed, united with these fools we will fall is the ALPA motto.

Venting, sorry.

skywagon8a
07-27-2015, 07:24 AM
ALPA was responsible for making the airline industry into a viable productive career, providing a comfortable lifestyle for many. For that I am grateful. Other than that they, as Bill says "--------------------" and "_____________________________________" and "------------------------". Do you see a resemblance between the ALPA leadership and the politicians in DC? "I'm getting mine, s.... you".
Sorry, there seem to be a bunch of us who have been silently voicing the same point of view. Let's go Cub flying to get some relaxation and calm down a bit.

Clayton Harper
07-27-2015, 10:06 AM
I'm an ALPA Retiree. With that said, this position is really stupid, even dumber than what they did with the PATCO strike. If any group is, pilots are natural supporter of ALPA. Goodby support. On my flight home I got in the face of every ALPA member I saw. None of the ones I talked to knew anything about the 3d Class/DL. If you are out their riding on the jet, ASK.

Ask about the "every six months 1st Class" pilots that dies in the cockpit seats. Safety BS.

stewartb
07-27-2015, 11:12 AM
Does ALPA have a powerful lobby presence in Washington? It doesn't surprise me that some oppose the suspension of the third class medical but I'm not sure they present much of a threat. So for you guys with knowledge of the organization and it's influence, are they a power to reckon with or just a weak organization whose leaders are posturing to look more important than they are?

stewartb
07-27-2015, 12:01 PM
No replies. Hmm. Has ALPA sent out calls to fund their PAC to help defeat medical reform? Has anyone within the ranks tried to assemble a dissent group to counter the public statement? Y'all have contributed to AOPA's PAC, right? You act like the issue is important to you. How important? Is ALPA's PAC more powerful than AOPA's?

Taledrger
07-27-2015, 05:33 PM
No replies. Hmm. Has ALPA sent out calls to fund their PAC to help defeat medical reform? Has anyone within the ranks tried to assemble a dissent group to counter the public statement? Y'all have contributed to AOPA's PAC, right? You act like the issue is important to you. How important? Is ALPA's PAC more powerful than AOPA's?

ALPA spent nearly 2 million (disclosed) in 2014 on lobbying.. There was no communication to the general populous nor from ALPA PAC prior to the announcement. While there is a lot of noise being made on the Airline Forums, I doubt anything will come of it.

Barnstormer
07-27-2015, 06:00 PM
It's too late, the damage has been done. Even if ALPA "retracted" their objection it won't matter, the concern has already registered with the Senators. The best thing we can do is hit ALPA in the pocket, stop doing business with companies that employ their members. Here is the list:

Air Transat
Air Transport International
Air Wisconsin
Alaska
Atlantic Southeast
Bearskin
Calm Air
Canadian North
CanJet
CommutAir
Compass
Delta
Endeavor Air
Envoy Air
ExpressJet
FedEx Express
First Air
Hawaiian
Island Air
Jazz
JetBlue
Kelowna Flightcraft
Mesa Air Group
Piedmont
PSA
Spirit
Sun Country
Trans States
United
Wasaya

Fly with a company not on this list. Ship with a company not on this list. And tell every pilot friend you know.

ndill
07-27-2015, 08:39 PM
It's too late, the damage has been done. Even if ALPA "retracted" their objection it won't matter, the concern has already registered with the Senators. The best thing we can do is hit ALPA in the pocket, stop doing business with companies that employ their members. Here is the list:

Air Transat
Air Transport International
Air Wisconsin
Alaska
Atlantic Southeast
Bearskin
Calm Air
Canadian North
CanJet
CommutAir
Compass
Delta
Endeavor Air
Envoy Air
ExpressJet
FedEx Express
First Air
Hawaiian
Island Air
Jazz
JetBlue
Kelowna Flightcraft
Mesa Air Group
Piedmont
PSA
Spirit
Sun Country
Trans States
United
Wasaya

Fly with a company not on this list. Ship with a company not on this list. And tell every pilot friend you know.
+1

Taledrger
07-27-2015, 10:40 PM
I fully agree and I actually work for one of them... 12 more miserable months...:-)

stewartb
07-27-2015, 10:54 PM
Do the carriers choose their pilot's union? I don't see how avoiding Alaska Airlines will do any good for the issue.

What's the end game for ALPA? They have nothing to gain by keeping the third class medical in place that I can figure. What am I missing?

WindOnHisNose
07-28-2015, 12:10 AM
This is from a post on our Facebook/mnpilots page from a member of ALPA...

July 27, 2015
As you may know, the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association (AOPA) and the Experimental Aircraft Association (EAA) filed a petition for exemption with the FAA that would give pilots the option of conducting certain operations without having to hold an FAA medical certificate. The FAA has not yet acted on this request.

Currently, legislation is pending in the U.S. Congress that would implement the request made by AOPA/EAA through legislative mandate. Late last week, there was an attempt to attach this legislation, referred to as the "Pilot's Bill of Rights 2," to the surface transportation reauthorization legislation. Complex aviation safety issues have no place on a highway bill—period.

ALPA's sole responsibility is to advocate for its members in their capacity as professional airline pilots. ALPA's long-standing policy as adopted by its Board of Directors is to maintain the highest level of safety within the national airspace system. As such, ALPA has weighed in on the proposed amendment due to its obligation to the safety of our members in their capacity as airline pilots. The proposed amendment introduces risk that takes a step backwards from maintaining the highest levels of safety. If not for how this legislation impacts the safety of the airspace in which our members fly, ALPA would not weigh in on this matter.

On July 23, ALPA president, Capt. Tim Canoll, sent a letter to members of the U.S. Senate urging them to vote "no" on an amendment by Senator Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) to the highway bill.
In his letter, he outlined ALPA's opposition to this amendment:

This legislation has the potential to allow medically unfit pilots unfettered access to the national airspace at altitudes up to 18,000 feet with aircraft large enough to accommodate 6 occupants, at speeds up to 250 knots, in airspace which includes commercial airline traffic carrying passengers and cargo.

It would eliminate the requirement that these pilots see an aviation medical examiner (AME) at regular intervals for mental and physical evaluation in order to show medical fitness to operate an aircraft.
It may reduce some medical conditions that could disqualify a pilot from receiving a medical certificate and relies on the pilot to self-report when a disqualifying condition is identified. Even if a pilot develops and discloses a serious medical condition that creates risk in the national airspace, the amendment could prevent the FAA from ensuring that the pilot seek treatment.
This has been ALPA's position since 2012 when ALPA submitted comments to the FAA in opposition to the AOPA/EAA petition for exemption (Docket No. FAA-2012-0350) from the third-class medical requirement.

ALPA has engaged with stakeholders to address concerns about medical evaluation processes for pilots who hold a third-class medical certificate and believes that a compromise position can be developed to ensure that added risk to the airspace we operate in is mitigated and the highest levels of safety are maintained. In fact, there are other provisions in the Pilot's Bill of Rights that ALPA supports, and we intend to continue collaboration with our Hill and aviation partners.

Again, ALPA believes that a common-sense solution is within reach, but the amendment as written introduces a level of risk within the national airspace that we cannot support.
If you have any questions, please contact EAS@alpa.org.

I call bullsh*t on this.

Randy

BuckWynd
07-28-2015, 12:18 AM
I'm a 19-year member of ALPA (not by choice, believe me). I just sent my sternly-worded letter to their leadership, as well as letters of support to EAA, AOPA, and my congress-critters. What a crock of crap.

Gordon Misch
07-28-2015, 01:48 AM
Do the carriers choose their pilot's union? I don't see how avoiding Alaska Airlines will do any good for the issue.

What's the end game for ALPA? They have nothing to gain by keeping the third class medical in place that I can figure. What am I missing?
Try to keep us little guys out of THEIR airspace? That's all I can figure - - But of course that has nothing to do with aeromedical fitness, except as an attempt to reduce our numbers. I'm with you, Stewart - it's hard to conjure a legitimate rationale - -

little wing
07-28-2015, 02:26 AM
Anyone know if they are as worried about drones as they are about people who actually have something to lose?

Gordon Misch
07-28-2015, 02:55 AM
Hmmm, no mention of the Pilots' Bill of Rights legislation on the ALPA Legislative Issues page? Maybe their letter is a knee-jerk, little thought given, let's weigh in on this cuz it ain't specifically for us so it must be bad piece of foolishness? http://www.alpa.org/en/advocacy/resources/legislative-issues

stewartb
07-28-2015, 10:20 AM
Here's a list of senators and congressmen that have co-sponsored medical reform legislation. It will in revealing to see how these senators vote today. I'm as pro-medical reform as anyone, perhaps more than most, but I don't like amendments and earmarks politics. I'm getting wary of the assortment of actions that promote medical reform. I wish our representatives would stop playing manipulative games and just deal with issues at face value. Government is broken. Attaching PBOR2 language to a highway bill is evidence of that. I want it to pass for selfish reasons but I don't like the tactics. It'll be an interesting day.

http://www.aopa.org/Advocacy/Legislative-Affairs/Pilots-Bill-of-Rights-2

Dbow
07-28-2015, 10:40 AM
It's too late, the damage has been done. Even if ALPA "retracted" their objection it won't matter, the concern has already registered with the Senators. The best thing we can do is hit ALPA in the pocket, stop doing business with companies that employ their members. Here is the list:

Air Transat
Air Transport International
Air Wisconsin
Alaska
Atlantic Southeast
Bearskin
Calm Air
Canadian North
CanJet
CommutAir
Compass
Delta
Endeavor Air
Envoy Air
ExpressJet
FedEx Express
First Air
Hawaiian
Island Air
Jazz
JetBlue
Kelowna Flightcraft
Mesa Air Group
Piedmont
PSA
Spirit
Sun Country
Trans States
United
Wasaya

Fly with a company not on this list. Ship with a company not on this list. And tell every pilot friend you know.

Dbow
07-28-2015, 10:42 AM
+2

OLDCROWE
07-28-2015, 11:33 AM
The bus drivers at ALPA just po'd the majority of aviation advocates in DC.

Clayton Harper
07-28-2015, 06:54 PM
The bus drivers at ALPA just po'd the majority of aviation advocates in DC.

When you call me a bus driver, it tells me that you do not have a clue. I will not defend ALPA on this, but I will defend the thousands of professional pilots, union and non-union that go to work to fly 100,000's of people a day. They fly businessmen to clients, families to re-unions, vacationers to fun, and your Aircraft Spruce package to you. You owe all of us "bus drivers" an apology.

Clayton Harper
07-28-2015, 07:02 PM
It's too late, the damage has been done. Even if ALPA "retracted" their objection it won't matter, the concern has already registered with the Senators. The best thing we can do is hit ALPA in the pocket, stop doing business with companies that employ their members. Here is the list:

Air Transat
Air Transport International
Air Wisconsin
Alaska
Atlantic Southeast
Bearskin
Calm Air
Canadian North
CanJet
CommutAir
Compass
Delta
Endeavor Air
Envoy Air
ExpressJet
FedEx Express
First Air
Hawaiian
Island Air
Jazz
JetBlue
Kelowna Flightcraft
Mesa Air Group
Piedmont
PSA
Spirit
Sun Country
Trans States
United
Wasaya

Fly with a company not on this list. Ship with a company not on this list. And tell every pilot friend you know.

Who's left? How long can you keep this up? Will the companies and the workers of the companies even notice?

OLDCROWE
07-28-2015, 07:50 PM
When you call me a bus driver, it tells me that you do not have a clue. I will not defend ALPA on this, but I will defend the thousands of professional pilots, union and non-union that go to work to fly 100,000's of people a day. They fly businessmen to clients, families to re-unions, vacationers to fun, and your Aircraft Spruce package to you. You owe all of us "bus drivers" an apology.Agreed, I do my apologies to a great profession that ALPA is tarnishing.

So pardon my anger, I've been working hard for PBR-2 and personally requested it include the 3rd class medical reform (which had been filed seperately the year before) and not because I can't pass a medical but because GA is not even holding it's own in the US but no ALPA just crapped on the effort. Not to mention the best friend pilot's and the aviation industry has had in Washington for a very long time, the very Aviation leadership that made it possible for for GA to rebuild and then with the PBR to somewhat level the field and protect the very pilots that ALPA claims to represent, so demand ALPA retract and we'll be even.

Sorry I'm mad but someone needs to show me where ALPA cares about GA...

Taledrger
07-28-2015, 09:56 PM
There are plenty, at least on the ual forum, that are "applauding" ALPA for their stance...

Clayton Harper
07-28-2015, 10:25 PM
There are plenty, at least on the ual forum, that are "applauding" ALPA for their stance...
Why do they think it is good for UAL?
They have more than a few 10W bulbs over there.

C130jake
07-28-2015, 10:45 PM
The last 15 years or so, ALPA failed to listen to its members. Supported age 65 against the will of the majority, agreed to let Mgmt gut pay, benefits, and retirement to stave off bankruptcy post 9/11. It didn't help. Most lost hard earned lucrative retirements bought with the blood and sweat of their predecessors. The leadership at ALPA seems more and more disconnected from its members and seems only interested in collecting dues from its members to feed the machine in Washington. No ALPA national leader has returned to fly the line in my 20 years flying for hire that I am aware of.

I am embarrassed by their lack of support but not surprised.

Jake


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stewartb
07-28-2015, 11:14 PM
Is it predictable that an association of 1st class medical guys have little respect for a bunch of 3rd class medical guys who are asking for free reign with no medical? I think it is predictable. As is the opposition by many AMEs. They're welcome to their opinions. EAA and AOPA promoted a really palatable expansion of Light Sport but politicians wanted to shoot the moon. They may well have shot the EAA/AOPA proposal in the foot in doing so. I'm not mad at ALPA. I'm mad at our elected officials.

OLDCROWE
07-29-2015, 07:39 AM
I can already visualize ALPA's lobby for it's members who land at the wrong airport... plow up all runways less than 7000 feet.

Taledrger
07-29-2015, 09:42 AM
ALPA Bullet points as relayed by one of their mouthpieces....
1) AMA, CAMA AND NTSB not on board
2) Should use normal NPRM, congressionally dictated medical rule, could backfire
3) SAFETY (they love that word) many GA pilots do not get annual physicals and this is the only stop gap to find an issue

When I commented that there may be retaliation from EAA and AOPA when they need them, I was told, "they need us much more than we need them" ...The arrogance is nauseating, but normal..

One rather noisy member told me that "your rich boy hobby needs more regulation, not less" (Canadian citizen, air force trained, living in the US working for a major US carrier, never worked for any one else and holds no single engine ratings)

stewartb
07-29-2015, 10:10 AM
To be fair, with regard to the three points, can you make a convincing argument that they're incorrect?

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the expansion of 3rd class medical reform and more so of the expansion of Light Sport limits. I'm a great example of what's wrong with the aeromedical process. When I was sick I got my medicals easily. Since I got fixed the FAA makes me burden my doctor to prove I'm fixed every 6 months. I have skin in the game and all this political posturing has done nothing but delay the process and delay my next Cub project because I don't know what the gross weight limits may be.

aktango58
07-29-2015, 09:18 PM
I can already visualize ALPA's lobby for it's members who land at the wrong airport... plow up all runways less than 7000 feet.

I thought their member did a great job plowing it up himself when he landed 6 miles short...

I fully agree with Stewart, there are some legitimate reasons for not approving the medical change. However, lets do a reality check, the class 3 is a biannual check, so you can not tell me that really screens folks when they are getting older.

And right now airlines are scrambling to hire pilots. All those Viet Nam vets have retired now, and so many of us that were young and saw how few jobs were available did something else for years... now the airlines are REQUIRED to put an ATP in the right seat, an ATP which must be obtained after an expensive class that young pilots can not afford.

So Alpa might be thinking they are doing good for their members, but in reality they are pushing, along with TSA, GA out the door into history, so before long the powers that be will allow passenger drones, and pilots will be a thing of the past.

Then where will ALPA be?

What needs to happen is us GA guys need to get our lobby busy and have the airlines restricted to small sections of our airports, and not allow them out. The rest of the GA area should not be required to have all the security so we can have young folks help wash aircraft and grow up with aviation. Not locked outside the fence.

Rant over

Gordon Misch
07-30-2015, 01:42 AM
The rest of the GA area should not be required to have all the security so we can have young folks help wash aircraft and grow up with aviation. Not locked outside the fence. That is simple and correct.

Clayton Harper
08-01-2015, 08:43 AM
It may not matter, but there is a "ALPA Doesn't Speak For Me" Facebook Page. Chime in.

btracy
08-01-2015, 09:47 AM
It may not matter, but there is a "ALPA Doesn't Speak For Me" Facebook Page. Chime in.
Is there one of those pages for the IBT also

nightflyer
08-01-2015, 10:16 AM
Not doing business with the companies on that list might make you feel better but it won't do any good. The companies and ALPA are two different entities.

I'm a ALPA member, FedEx pilot, but I'm very disappointed in their stance on this issue. I wrote them an email relaying my anger and disgust and for what it's worth this was their response:

Capt. Rogers –

Thanks for the message. We understand that this is an emotional issue.

A couple points that were contained in the AOPA and EAA messages to their members are incorrect. Just so you are aware, we have been attempting to work this issue with AOPA for some time now and, in fact, thought we had identified a middle-ground solution. We spoke with GAMA reps about that middle-ground solution to start to build consensus. It was the attempt to attach the amendment to the surface transportation bill without prior coordination that triggered ALPA’s response on Friday.

As you know, ALPA’s responsibility is to advocate for our members in their capacity as professional airline pilots. As highlighted we have been trying to work with AOPA to satisfy their concerns but they went ahead, without our knowledge, in an attempt to attach this amendment to the Highway Bill.

ALPA’s long standing policy is to maintain the highest level of safety within the National Airspace System. Self-certification of medical qualification for pilots flying in the same airspace as airlines is a step backwards from maintaining the highest levels of safety. ALPA members who are also GA pilots hold a Class 1 or 2 medical (as part of their jobs) and thus are not affected by this issue, except for the fact that it could have an adverse effect on the safety of the airspace in which we operate.

Contrary to many assertions, there have been airborne medical issues for GA pilots, just like commercial pilots, and moving to medical self-certification will just make it worse. There are a couple stats released by NTSB and the Aerospace Medical Association that everyone should review when considering whether medical self-certification is safe. The Aerospace Medical Association has stated that immediately after the Sport pilot category was introduced, the general aviation accident rate increased by 20 percent. In addition, the NTSB has documented the sharp increase in accident involving Sport pilots where prohibited substances were found in the system of the pilot and contributed to the accident.

We hope to continue to work with AOPA and other stakeholders to find a solution to the their special-issuance concerns and any other problems they would like to address. There are other aspects of the pilots’ bill of rights that we support, which is why we have attempted to work the issue with AOPA.

Hope that this helps.

ALPA Communications

Jimmy11
08-01-2015, 02:30 PM
As a retired ALPA member with 29 years of line flying, 38 years of professional flying, I am really angered at this and have expressed it with 'the association'. Let's not kid ourselves, everyone seeks a 'friendly' AME from the first ever physical and nothing changes. Hopefully, when self assessing if a problem arises, an appropriate doctor is consulted. ALPA is very hypocritical on many issues, but this one is not only appalling, but embarassing. The only reason 'they' were so vehement in their opposition to the FAA sleep apena proposal is that thousands would be grounded on the very next physical and the COST to 'the association' would be staggering. It's so nice to be retired, fly day VFR and not have 'management' lurking around doing their 'managing'.

nightflyer
08-01-2015, 04:01 PM
Jimmy11,
I'm envious of you retired guys and can't wait myself. I still have at least 13 years to go if I go early at 55.

Eddie Foy
08-01-2015, 06:04 PM
It's so nice to be retired, fly day VFR and not have 'management' lurking around doing their 'managing'.

AMEN BROTHER!!!
Dont miss airline flying for an instant.

However, I do miss the Hog.