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Shooter
09-02-2014, 12:52 PM
It's only taken me one and a half years of researching and head scratching but I finally made my decision and pulled the trigger on my project. I was in Wyoming last week and put my money down on my next project, a Back Country Super Cub. I should have delivery about November. I'm going to build this one at home in the garage and save the forty mile drive to my hanger. I'm cleaning the garage out now. Boy do I have a lot of junk. I'll keep you posted on the progression.

G44
09-02-2014, 07:01 PM
WoooHooo!!!

Time to start cleaning out the "junk"!

Jasperfield
09-02-2014, 07:11 PM
That's just great! Now that you've decided you can begin second-guessing yourself.

Congratulations.

Barnstormer
09-02-2014, 08:56 PM
Nice! Congrats!!!! Post lots of pictures.

Bill Rusk
09-03-2014, 02:52 PM
congratulations. Please weigh everything so we can compare the differences. Post lots of Pics so we can all learn.

Thank you

Bill

Shooter
09-03-2014, 04:12 PM
Thanks for the well wishes gentleman. Bill, I try my best to follow in your huge footsteps. I have learned so much from your continuing thread. Those of us mortals who are building owe you a debt of gratitude for your wealth of shared knowledge. I've purchased two scales, moved out the junk and painted the garage floor. I'm ready to go. Can't wait to get started.

WindOnHisNose
09-03-2014, 09:35 PM
Nice, Shooter! I look forward to following your progress, too!

Randy (shooter)

PIPER J5.5
09-03-2014, 09:56 PM
How much are the kits these days and what do you project to have into it when your done?

Shooter
09-04-2014, 08:12 AM
Randy (my brother Shooter), I'll do my best to keep all informed. Thanks.

WindOnHisNose
09-04-2014, 08:22 AM
It is great knowing that I have a brother, Shooter!

:)

I will bet you will have a blast putting this aircraft together.

Randy the shooter

Shooter
09-04-2014, 08:23 AM
Piper J5.5,
Backcountry Super Cubs makes a very complete kit. Wings and control surfaces are essentially ready to cover when you receive them. The fuselage requires little more assembly.
You can put it on its gear and climb in and make airplane noises when you get it. Current pricing for my model depending on options is $55-62000.00. I'm going to go with glass panel and a new large engine and all new parts. Probably be around $110000.00 or more when I'm finished. That really beats the heck out of over $250000.00 plus for some new production Super Cub variants and besides, it will be experimental. I can just about do what I want with it. I'll never go certified again. Thanks for asking.

Shooter
09-04-2014, 08:25 AM
Randy,
My wife says I'm like a kid in a candy store. I'm biting at the bit to get started.

Lowrider
09-04-2014, 09:53 PM
Good choice!!

You must have a bigger garage than me...my 36' x 60' shop is just barely big enough for me.

I'm a shooter too but not from Texas, although I've been thru there a few times...had dinner with HW at Pappas Brothers last trip to Houston....well, he was there but at a different table.

SJ
09-05-2014, 07:37 AM
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Shooter
09-05-2014, 09:43 AM
Lowrider and SJ. Thanks. I feel I 've made an excellent choice for my performance driven mission profile. This aircraft offers so much in it's mod's and performance that others just don't have. I have a fairly good sized garage. Four car and extended. It's heated and air conditioned. 10 foot ceiling. I'm plan to use only one half of it. I am writing a series article on the aircrafts construction. I want to illustrate that the aircraft can be built in a two car garage. A little tight. I will do the fuselage first. Remove it to the hanger and then do the wings. I will pre-assemble everything before cover, disassemble, cover and finish. I've done several projects prior to this. A Pitts S1-S, Midget Mustang, Quicksilver Sport 2 S, part of a RV-6,Mini 500 helicopter, Rotorway Exec helicopter, and a frame up restoration of a 54 Cessna 180 and a 47 J-3 that I just finished. I did the Cub teardown to finish in 8 months with one individual assisting. I don't plan to go that fast with this one. I think about 14 to 18 months if no problems occur. Next time you see George tell him I said Hi. He won't have a clue who I am. Keep sending them down range. Thanks for the comments.

cub12
09-05-2014, 10:36 AM
i have done 2 one was a amith the next a TCOW both took about 18-1900 hrs start to finish. with the amount of experience on previous project you have this one should be a piece of cake. Best of luck
Marc

Shooter
09-05-2014, 11:23 AM
I plan on putting in at least 25 hours per week. If I can con some of my A&P, IA friends into free labor it should go fairly quick. I have a real good A&P who loves to do fabric. I think I need to twist his arm. For once, fortunately we are all old and experienced. If I can keep the BS sessions to a minimum, we can make some progress.

soyAnarchisto
09-05-2014, 02:44 PM
I popped in Teds hangar at Platte Valley just north of Denver a couple months before Oshkosh and saw his cub - looked awesome. I am watching both your and Bills builds with anticipation.

Git'R'Done!

Shooter
09-05-2014, 03:18 PM
If your referring to Ted W., he had his plane at Oshkosh. Beautiful. I spoke with him this morning. He is just finishing us his new cargo pod for Super Cubs. He will have info about it in a couple of weeks on his website. See his blog on our website at www.stolaircraftmagazine.com (http://www.stolaircraftmagazine.com) click blogs. Bill's thread is a wealth of information. I can't wait to see his finished project.

RaisedByWolves
09-05-2014, 05:50 PM
I plan on putting in at least 25 hours per week. If I can con some of my A&P, IA friends into free labor it should go fairly quick. I have a real good A&P who loves to do fabric. I think I need to twist his arm. For once, fortunately we are all old and experienced. If I can keep the BS sessions to a minimum, we can make some progress.

Sounds like a good reason to have a cook out/ work party


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Shooter
09-06-2014, 09:53 AM
RaisedByWolves
,
I cleaned the grill and vacuumed the pool last night. I'm ready for that work party when you are. I can throw on some Elk steaks, a little Axis, and smoke a pig. I even have ice cold beer and some smooth Canadian whiskey. I'm not far from Graham.

Bill Rusk
09-06-2014, 12:20 PM
Shooter

If you are not far from Graham, you are a lucky man indeed. You have a phenomenal resource with Steve Pierce close by. What a blessing that is going to be.

Bill

Shooter
09-06-2014, 04:27 PM
Hi Bill,

I'm about 200 miles from Graham. About 1.4 in the 180 and 2.0 in the Cub. Essentially around the corner here in Texas. I met with Steve, wife, son and daughter two weeks ago in Graham. Great people. Truly a wealth of information. How close are you on your project? I would love to head north to see you and it when you are finished. With your superb record keeping and photo log, it would make a wonderful feature article. What do you think?

Dennis

RaisedByWolves
09-06-2014, 07:23 PM
RaisedByWolves
,
I cleaned the grill and vacuumed the pool last night. I'm ready for that work party when you are. I can throw on some Elk steaks, a little Axis, and smoke a pig. I even have ice cold beer and some smooth Canadian whiskey. I'm not far from Graham.



Sweet. I like the sound of that.
Nice to meet you and your wife the other day at Steve's.

Shooter
09-11-2015, 08:20 PM
It's been a year since I last posted to this thread. I guess it's time for me to start posting again. I took delivery of part of my kit in April of this year. My real job, the new magazine, lot's of travel to fly-ins and STOL events and my wife and daughters health problems have slowed me down a bit. The fly-in season is slowing down now. Sheila is over her surgeries, still recovering but back on her feet. My daughters over her problems and I've been in the garage a little more. I have made a few modifications to my Backcountry Super Cub Gen II airframe. I added a few tabs and hard points on the vertical stab for ease of inspection and maintenance work. I removed the rear upper glass panel (too much glass for the Texas heat) and ran the upper stringer forward to the front glass rear support. This changed the lines of the fuselage a little. I like the look. I have added a locking stainless steel latch to the cargo door and a mid door cross member to increase its rigidity. The floor boards (there are seven of them) are made from 3/16 plywood from the factory. They fit very well and required little trimming. I stained them a oak color and sealed them with polyurethane. I made the interior wall panels from .016 aluminum. ( there are 10 of them counting the aft bulkhead panel) Total weight was only 5 lbs, 9 oz. I made the original aft bulkhead from 3/16 ply. The .016 panel is over two pounds lighter. I modified the front seat by adding 3 inches to the seat back height to fit me better. I added folding arm rests ( folding to facilitate rapid egress) and a drink holder to my wife's seat. A little extra weight, but she will be more comfortable and happy and therefore so will I. I have covered the tail, horizontal stab, rudder and elevators with Ceconite. I will finish them with tapes tomorrow. I just got the fuselage back from paint. It was painted with PPG epoxy bright white paint. I will start to cover it on Sunday. The fabric will be finished with the Air-Tech process with a primary color of bright white. I weighed the fuselage when it got back from paint. It weighed 137 pounds about 10 pound heavier with the tabs, supports and paint. It's a big airframe. Four inches wider, five inches taller and two feet longer than a Super Cub. It's as long as my 180. I added weld on fuel steps from Airframes Alaska to my 3 inch extended gear. It currently sits on 26 inch tires but I will eventually place it on 35's. I'm still waiting on my boot cowl, windshield, panel, cowl and motor mount from the factory. I should have the fuselage covered and back from paint in three to four weeks. I will start final assembly at that time. I'm going to need the front parts to get this thing together. Hopefully they will be ready soon. I'm planning a trip to the factory in Wyoming in a few weeks to see what's going on. So far all things fit well and the welds and finish from the factory are excellent. The wings are together. They need the addition of the 24 gallon tanks (48 total), plumbing, lighting wires and cover. I've had them on and they fit well. I'll get the fuselage finished first before I take on that part of the project unless parts slow me down. I'll get Sheila to post some pictures in my next installment. I'm technologically challenged. I have to get back to the garage or this thing will never get finished.

Jasperfield
09-11-2015, 08:39 PM
I'm glad things are going well. Progress, even just a little bit, is a great motivator. That will be a noticeably large Super Cub.

Lowrider
09-11-2015, 08:57 PM
Keep up the good work Shooter and best to your wife and daughter for a speedy recovery!!

DRLcub
09-11-2015, 11:17 PM
Shooter,
Can you give more details about the oversize of your airframe. At 6'5" and 250lbs I'm always interested in airplanes for us full-sized people.


Doug

Shooter
09-12-2015, 07:38 PM
Jasperfield and Lowrider,
Thanks much for the positive thoughts.
DRLcub and Lowrider,
This is a large Super Cub. The fuselage is as long as my 180. I am 6 feet and 220 lbs. When I place the front (pilots) seat in the full aft position, I cannot reach the rudder pedals by several inches. The cabin at the front seat is 28 inches wide and 55 inches from the floor to the top of the cabin. The cargo hold from the aft stick to the rear bulkhead panel is 9 feet! If you yell into the cargo bay you will get an echo back.

I picked up several internal cabin parts from the paint shop today. The fuselage and parts are bright white. I assembled the three seats and will take them to the upholstery shop on Monday. I am covering the seats with Navy blue (Blueberry) faux leather from Aircraft Spruce and Burgundy (Port) Duralife Premium fabric from Airtex. The accent color on the white fuselage will be a reddish burgundy, navy blue and bright yellow. I've been installing all appropriate internal items (fairleads, cables, pulley's, etc) prior to fuselage fabric cover. I hope to finish fabric work on the rudder, elevators and horizontal stabs tomorrow. I should get my landing gear and interior panels back from paint on Tuesday. Things are finally starting to come together in a fuselage shape. It's motivating me. Stay tuned for tomorrows report.

Larry G
09-12-2015, 08:21 PM
Shooter this sound really nice project how about some pictures. It's nice to see how projects are going together and follow.

Shooter
09-13-2015, 09:54 AM
Here's a couple of photos to start. The cargo area with wood flooring (3/16 plywood) and .016 wall panels. The trim servo. The fuselage with windows (white panels) being fitted.

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Shooter
09-13-2015, 06:51 PM
I did some additional fitting today in preparation for covering the fuselage. I installed pulleys, cables, the front seat, brake assembly under the seat and the right horizontal stab and elevator. I will have put this thing together ten times by the time its finished.21778

Lowrider
09-13-2015, 08:56 PM
Nice size Cub!

Mine is 28" inside too but only 7' in the cargo area but long enough to sleep in with the rear seat removed. I actually did sleep in it once with a 30" wide 3" thick Thermarest pad in the back but I need a tapered pad 'cause the pad sticks out the side of the tubes. Mine's only about as long as my 170 but a lot lighter for sure.

I'm using Kydex for the interior down low and fabric half way up and no ceiling...thought that would be quieter than alum but a bit heavier.

I'm building from plans and out of my head so I'll watch your post like I have Bill Rusk and others to learn along the way...this is a great site to learn how to build an flying machine!!

Shooter
09-13-2015, 09:40 PM
The fuselage is extended two feet therefore the nine foot cargo. I investigated kydex but went with the .016 aluminum instead. I bought a sheet metal beader to stiffen the .016. It worked well. There is no oil canning. As stated all interior panels weigh only 5 lbs. 9 oz. I am working from my head as well. Although this is a kit, it comes with no assembly manual. I'm doing a lot of head scratching and making changes as I see fit as I move along. Bill's thread is a wealth of information. He finished an excellent airplane. I saw it at New Holstein. Very nice and light. I'm building for a little more comfort and will accept the extra weight as necessary. Supercub.org produces a tremendous amount of useful information. You just need to sift through the chaff and wise cracks. It's always fun reading. Keep me posted on your progress.

Fortysix12
09-14-2015, 02:09 AM
When my airplane is at gross weight of 2000 or maybe a bit heavier I find that when at landing configuration I run out of forward nose trim. This with the belly pod full up to around 100 pounds, upper and extended rear baggage compartments at 15lbs each, at least 50 lbs behind the seat, and a 135 pounds in the rear seat. You might find that the super extend baggage is very limited in weight capacity because of the limited trim range at slow speeds. I limit my super cub to 30 pounds beyond the standard rear baggage compartment, this is 15 upper and 15 lbs in the extended baggage area and I'm concluding even this is too much as previously described. Could be particular airplane. but any weight added is aft c of G. I think at weigh in my tail was at 78lbs to give you a base line with all other things being equal. Perhaps a fabric floor for all surfaces beyond standard baggage would of been adequate because nothing heavy goes there anyway. 016 is certainly the correct approach.

skywagon8a
09-14-2015, 07:08 AM
Shooter, Where are the extra two feet in the fuselage? Is this a one time special for you or has Backcountry incorporated the stretch in all of their Cubs? Have others been built with this stretch and if so are there any flight reports available? This is the first fuselage stretch of which I have heard. The extra leg room in front will be appreciated.

Fortysix12
09-14-2015, 07:21 AM
I'm also 6ft and modified the factory type seat for 2 additional inches. Basically it slides back 2 more inches. Added additional seat stops in fron of the seat rails in addition to the seat level indexing stops. The rear stick just touches the map pocket back of front seat in the full forward stick position. So a slight adjustment to the turnbuckle/stick position would help.

Shooter
09-14-2015, 08:30 AM
C.G. range is a major consideration with the long fuselage. Lot's of room for light bulky stuff in the aft compartment. I will take photos tonight and post to illustrate the extension. I will be using a larger engine, IO-382, 200 Plus horsepower. The extra weight up front will help. Additional changes include a flattened floor forward of the front door post. The floor does not taper up to the lower firewall as on a standard SC. This greatly increases foot room. Toe brakes are standard.The modifications are unique to the Backcountry Super Cub Gen II. Several are under construction at this time but none are flying. The aircraft is an enhanced and modified SQ-2.

Aktahoe
09-14-2015, 08:50 AM
I think the extra leg room will be nice for sleeping in but don't think I will be putting much back there. As far as I know there are only 3 of these eating built as of now. A forth is set here in a month or so. I too am going with the .016 aluminum. My engine arrives next week and the real progress will really start taking shape. Anyhow, here's a couple shots before it left the factory showing the length. I also don't foresee using the third seat. This is Ranchpilot laying in there. He is 6'3"


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Shooter
09-14-2015, 10:25 AM
Great photos showing the length. I think it's over gross with Bruce and the other two guys. Is that the way they give a thumbs up in Wyoming? Les Field of Cody Wyoming is building one. He has his wings covered and waiting on his fuselage. What engine are you using?

Aktahoe
09-14-2015, 11:25 AM
After a lot of considerations, weight, power to weight ratio and simplicity, I am going with the O-360 - 9-1 forged, hallow crank, magnesium ring, magnesium sump, EarthX, Pmags, 60 amp Alt, Lean Carb jet drilled (MA4-5) and a 86/40 Catto on the nose. Garmin G3X covers everything inside keeping it light. Interior is the same as you with the .016 aluminum and lightweight boards for the flooring. Hoping this beast will come in at or under the 1200b mark.

AKT

Shooter
09-14-2015, 11:39 AM
Sounds familiar. I'm running a IO-382 hollow crank, magnesium sump, fuel injection, aerovoltz or earthX, probable light speed plasma 3 with hall effect and one mag. For STOL work a Catto 86/38 and for cross country a Catto 84/46. I will also utilize the Garmin G3X package. I have chosen Ceconite and the Air-tech finish process as my prior experience with it using 2 coats of primer and finish as opposed to the recommended 3 coats results in a very light finish. I too hope to final at 1200 pounds.

Aktahoe
09-14-2015, 11:59 AM
Sounds like the Aerosport Wildcat? That engine will be 20+ lbs heavier and I am curious if the weight to HP is really that big of a deal. Fuel injected and constant speed also adds weight. Betting I have you beat for at least 40lbs...:) Just ruffling feathers is all...:)

AKT

Shooter
09-14-2015, 12:10 PM
I'm building it at Superiors facility in Coppell Texas. I will be able to test run and dyno it when finished. Aerosport does the same engine and calls it the Wildcat. I spoke to them at Oshkosh but could not get a call back from them when I decided to purchase. I called them several times. I went direct to Superior. I understand the extra weight, but, you can't have too much horsepower or too fat tires. It a STOL aircraft. I love a challenge. We will see what the scales say.( you will probably win, I'm throwing in comfort items for the wife and my old tired body)

RaisedByWolves
09-14-2015, 12:25 PM
The lighter they are the better they perform.
http://youtu.be/-QZURE21mBM

Shooter
09-14-2015, 01:27 PM
Your 100% correct. However, when your a card carrying senior citizen who's abused their body for over 60 years, the extra weight of a few creature comforts off sets the minimal decrease in performance especially on those LONG cross countries in a 85-95 MPH airplane. If the intended landing spot is so short that 20 pounds is going to make or break the landing and eventual takeoff, my old testosterone level will not allow me to land there. I'm not bullet proof and invisible anymore. And I certainly don't bounce and heal like I used too. Let the young guys and girls have at it. I'll be duly impressed as I watch from above and find me a spot 50 feet longer.The power to weight of a 1100 pound aircraft with 180 HP is 6.11. A 1222 pound with 200 is 6.11. A brick can fly if it has enough thrust acting upon it. My aircraft will have full span slats, a 38 foot plus wing span and 4 inch extended chord. LOTS of wing lift area as compared to a standard SC wing. I am using the same airfoil. Lift is a factor of surface area providing the lift, thrust and other factors. I think I'll have above average performance at about 1200 pounds. Time will tell.

skywagon8a
09-14-2015, 03:06 PM
Shooter, I hope that you are going to use the Keller slotted flaps.

Shooter
09-14-2015, 05:56 PM
I'm thinking about the Keller flaps but they are pricey $$$$$$. I guess you can't take it with you. I'm at least two months from the wing project. We will see if Santa brings them to me.

Aktahoe
09-14-2015, 07:02 PM
Sorry for the hijack Shooter but this is about all I can think about! Kellers for me!! That what makes this plane the plane it is. Betting Santa brings them to ya Shooter!
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skywagon8a
09-14-2015, 07:13 PM
If it were me and I had to chose just one, it would be the extra long Keller flaps. Though the combination of the flaps and the slats will make a well balanced STOL performer without having to have the nose pointed at the sky which is necessary for just the slats alone. The extra cost would be but a very small percentage of the final number for a much larger percentage of performance. In my opinion.

mvivion
09-14-2015, 07:16 PM
Good luck in that 1200 pound weight. Start bribing, errrrrr, communicating, with the owner of the scales now.....you may need all the help you can get.

MTV

Shooter
09-15-2015, 09:40 AM
It appears that a little clarification is needed as many on this website take all statements literally. The aircraft is under construction. It is a new aircraft. No one has built one nor flown one. There are no stats or infrormation available for the finished product. There is no build manual. There are no known's, only unknowns. The benefit of an experimental aircraft is that the builder has the ability to make changes as they see fit. Changes and choices from builder to builder will meet the individual personal preferences of that builder for his/her mission statement. My aircraft will be used for general off/on airport and improved, unimproved backcountry strips. I will not use it as a competition aircraft. It will be built for utility use and cross country flight with appropriate creature comforts for myself and wife. We are both senior citizens. It will meet the needs of our magazine to represent to other pilots and non-pilots the format of a STOL aircraft. It will be our STOL centerpiece at fly-ins and airshows. My friend and brother in flight, Aktahoe, is much younger than I with a different mission statement. As friends we will harrass each other about our individual builds. It's part of the fun and I welcome his comments. The 1200 pound number is a goal. I doubt seriously if I will make it with what I am adding to my build, but it is still a goal to strive for. This aircraft can be rated 2400 gross. Even if I come in at 1300 pounds with the large wing, full span slats, possible Keller flaps and 200 plus horse power, I think it will perform well. I will have a 1100 pound useful load. At my expected 210 HP I will have a power to weight ratio of 6.19.That beats the heck out of my Cessna 180 at 10.87 and a 1200 pound 180 Cub at 6.67. Thanks very much for the comments and suggestions. As always they are all appreciated.

tempdoug
09-15-2015, 02:19 PM
Dennis, when you cover your frame with airtec weigh all the stuff you get before you use any of it and then think about what your going to do. I mean absolutley nothing buy this statement, just something to consider.

Shooter
09-15-2015, 07:14 PM
I'm weighing everything. I'll let you know the numbers when I get there. I have used Air-tech previously on my J-3. I am extremely pleased with the outcome. The aircraft weighed 697 pounds at completion or 17 pounds lighter than it left the Piper factory. I appreciate your concern and input.

Shooter
09-20-2015, 12:39 PM
OK weight watchers, I did some initial investigation on my weight. Here's the numbers. I loaded everything into the airplane. This includes airframe, primed and painted but no cover, brakes and 26 inch wheels installed with shock system, covered but not painted tail feathers, all pulleys cables and springs, all floor panels stained and polyurethane. All interior panels, primed and painted from rear seat back. Unpainted from rear seat forward. Front and rear seats with foam, no upholstery. All windows, doors, window frames, door frames, and all nuts and bolts. All of this weighed 382 pounds. The wings with out cover or tanks but otherwise ready to go weighed 222 pound including the steel rack. I'm knocking of 20 for the rack so say 200 pounds. The tanks are about 14 pounds each. I estimate 24 pounds for cover not including paint.

So here is what I guestamate.

Fuselage with all stuff added 382 pounds

Wings with tanks and cover, no paint 256 pounds

Avionics 22 pounds

Engine 365 pounds

I need to add struts, exterior paint, windshield, boot cowl and cowling.


This is a big bird. Much larger than a standard Super Cub, 4 inch wider, five inched taller, two feet longer and 3 1/2 more feet of wing. I'm officially revising my completion estimate to 1300 pounds. That should give me a power to weight ratio of 6.5 to one. Still not bad.2180821809

RaisedByWolves
09-20-2015, 04:17 PM
Don't want to rain on your parade but 1300 is a good number for a 180hp Supercub with all the goodies in it. Saw a really nice one today, high twelves. I bet those Oregon aero seats he had are comfy.

I hope you crush the 1300 empty weight. There is no better feeling then coming in under your goal weight.

Cub junkie
09-20-2015, 04:25 PM
I don't care what it weighs, it's going to be a cool project and as said, it's a cruiser for senior citizens and comfort.(I'm there too on age)

Shooter
09-20-2015, 05:08 PM
Tom, never any rain on my parade. I live in Texas. It NEVER rains in Texas. With my estimate, its time to get weight critical. I have the figuring down to the aircraft that I want. It's now a matter of building it and keeping it under the goal weight. It will be interesting to see how Aktahoe, Ken Field and other do on weight as they progress along. I am interested in seeing some of their numbers as I have nothing to compare to. I can look at a standard Super Cub but it really is a different much smaller aircraft. The standard Cub's numbers just don't add up to this much larger airframe. I'll strive for 1300 and see where it goes.

Steve's Aircraft (Brian)
09-20-2015, 07:34 PM
Friend of mine build a stretched pacer that is 4 inches taller in the cabin than a normal Pacer plus 0-360, stamped Taylorcraft airfoil wings with Cessna 172 flaps... Lots of other mods to boot.. It came in at 1320... So, that being said, I think your 1300 weight is very realistic...

Brian

Shooter
09-21-2015, 10:05 AM
Thanks Brian. Excellent information. Gives me a reference point.

Shooter
11-08-2015, 12:32 PM
I've made some progress recently. The fuselage is covered with Ceconite. The tail feathers are covered but not stitched. I ordered fueling steps from Airframes Alaska and welded them to the gear legs. I recently made a trip to the Backcountry factory and picked up my firewall and engine mount. I have been waiting on these parts since April. I have been informed by Bruce Reed of BC that my carbon fiber boot cowl and cowl should be made soon. I think he is farming it out to Catto. They do excellent work and I am pleased to hear it.http://www.supercub.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22626&stc=1http://www.supercub.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22627&stc=1http://www.supercub.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22628&stc=1http://www.supercub.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22629&stc=1http://www.supercub.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22630&stc=1http://www.supercub.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=22631&stc=1

Lowrider
11-08-2015, 01:01 PM
Looks great Shooter!! Fabric turned out nice!

And, love your shop dog...we have a 100lb red Lab...can't beat them!!

aktango58
11-08-2015, 01:35 PM
Go Carbon for flooring and all the aft baggage area. I forget exactly how much of a difference it made, but a supersize CF baggage from Randy A was multiple pounds less than the Atlee baggage and trim required for his. Substantial in weight for that location.

Shooter
11-08-2015, 02:56 PM
Jake, my yellow lab, is my constant companion. He will be 13 this Christmas. He is with me so often I don't think about him when I take the photos. He appears in a lot of my photos just because he is there.
I considered the carbon floor boards. There would provide a few pounds of weight savings. I also considered carbon fiber for the wall panels. One square foot of two layer carbon fiber, about .016 weighs .1350 lbs. One square foot of .016 aluminum weighs .2322 or a savings of .0972 pounds per foot with the carbon fiber. Considering approximately 35 feet of wall space I would save about 3.4 pounds with carbon fiber wall panels versus aluminum. The weight saving would be greater with the thicker floor boards. The cost would be much higher. For the significant cost differential, I'm going with .016 aluminum for the walls and very durable wood for the floors. Weight savings, even in small amounts can get real expensive. It is said, about a hundred dollars per pound. I can go on a diet and save $1000.00, 10 pounds and be healthier.

Southern Aero
11-08-2015, 04:49 PM
Hey Shooter

Man that looks nice. My brother lives in Houston and I might get out there ........ maybe Christmas-ish for a while. Would it be possible to have a look at your project?

Shooter
11-08-2015, 06:46 PM
Come on by for a visit. I'm building this one at home in the garage. We are in NW Houston in Cypress. Call me at 713-816-0927.

RaisedByWolves
11-08-2015, 07:49 PM
You can get the floorboards in after its covered? I changed the floorboards in my cub while it was covered. I don't think I would do it again. The fuse looks good. You're making progress.

stewartb
12-06-2015, 12:51 PM
Shooter,

Have you completed you IO-382 and run it yet? I'm interested in hearing about it. How did you come up with the 365# weight? Aerosport Power is listing 287# with the lightweight sump.

Thanks.

Shooter
12-31-2015, 08:49 PM
Well boys and girls Santa was good to me. He sent me an order slip for a set of Keller flaps. Not sure when I'll get them but he says they are in the works. I've been doing a lot of parts soul searching lately. I have ordered two props from Catto a 86X44 and a 84X40. Catto figures about 15 mph difference between the two. I was originally going with a 84 X 38 but Craig thinks it will over speed with the IO-382. I am ordering a set of 35 inch Bushwheels with 10 inch wheels to match, a set of Airframes 6 in wheels with brakes to replace my Matcos. I'll use the 6 inch for my "cruise" tires. I will also get a 3200 Baby Bushwheel tailwheel to replace the Matco that came from Backcountry. I've spoken to Dan Dufault about his new cool tailwheel shock system. It's now in test mode. He figures to send me a set in February. I'm speaking to Superior Air Parts and Aero Sport Power in BC about my engine. Planning to go to Kamloops in February or March and build the engine. What a joke. A Texas boy in BC Canada in February. I don't think I have enough clothes. I'll shop for long johns before I leave Texas. I will tweak the engine as much as I can and still keep it reliable. I would like to see 208-210 hp out of it. Still waiting on parts from Backcountry. No cowl, boot cowl or windscreen. Catto is now working on forming them up. Hopefully I'll have those parts soon. I'll try to get some current photos posted over the weekend. Happy New Year to everyone. Be safe out there.

Canadian Farmer
01-01-2016, 01:09 AM
A Texas boy in BC Canada in February. Don't think I have enough clothes!

Don't worry Shooter........ It doesn't get that cold in Kamloops....... It's Winnipeg you want to stay away from!!!!!

stewartb
01-01-2016, 08:25 AM
Does Texas sales tax have anything to do with it? ;-) If a guy attends the Superior owner-builder program in the Dallas area they're considered to be taking delivery of the engine in Texas and have to pay TX sales tax. I wanted to do it but the tax rule chased me away. Lost revenue for the Gaylord Texan! Texas would be wise to waive that silly rule.

Shooter
01-01-2016, 10:49 AM
Canadian Farmer, Thanks for the tip. You can bet I'll avoid Winnipeg.

Shooter
01-01-2016, 10:55 AM
To avoid that problem do what I am doing. Aero Sport Power in Kamloops BC Canada will by the kit from Superior Air Parts. They send it to ASP. From October through April you can go to ASP and do a "build school" there. It actually works out better because ASP will do tweaking and mod's to the engine for more performance. Superior will not. You still get the same great Superior product, no Texas tax, and you can modify the engine. ASP will even do a custom paint color for you. Pack your bag and meet me up there. I'm looking at February or March.

180Marty
01-01-2016, 11:58 AM
Are you driving so you can haul it back yourself or will it be shipped with the possibility of damage? I still have visions of the FedEx driver opening the doors and my second MT prop having jiggled off the stack of freight but the wood crate saved it. The first MT had a blade sticking through the cardboard box. I guess I'm paranoid!!!!

Shooter
01-01-2016, 12:13 PM
The drive to Kamloops and back to Texas would be a trek. I am not driving. I feel your pain regarding banged up parts from shipping. I think all of us in the airplane business have felt the pain. Fortunately I will be there to box it up. Aero Sport Power does this all the time so I am sure they are quite proficient at packing. A nice big strong plywood box with lots of padding and lots of insurance should do the trick.

stewartb
01-02-2017, 11:18 AM
A year and a day have passed since the last post. What's up with this project?

stewartb
03-02-2017, 11:10 PM
And now 14 months and a day.........

Seems like Shooter pulled the ejection handle. WTF?

Steve Pierce
03-03-2017, 07:05 PM
Glad I didn't start a thread on my Clipper project, or Cathy's Legend Cub project or you would be busting my balls too. 8)

stewartb
03-03-2017, 07:50 PM
No busting. Just interested in what started with a flurry and then disappeared. Mostly I'm curious about how other rev 2 builders are dealing with some of the surprises that came with the kit.

Aktahoe
03-04-2017, 11:33 AM
Shooter just got a cowling and he is still making progress. His timeline is zero hurry and should be flying maybe by summer ends.

Just saw him two weeks ago in Tahoe as he came to look at mine.

Anxious to see another Rev 2 flying. Its either going to be you in AK, Aaron Zeff in NV or Jeff Lafore in ID next.

AKT

Steve Pierce
03-04-2017, 03:29 PM
No busting. Just interested in what started with a flurry and then disappeared. Mostly I'm curious about how other rev 2 builders are dealing with some of the surprises that came with the kit.


And now 14 months and a day.........

Seems like Shooter pulled the ejection handle. WTF?

Your last post will probably get you more information. Following your and Mike's progress, looks like you will have a great airplane in the end.

Eddie Foy
07-16-2017, 06:48 AM
What happened to the build?

mike mcs repair
11-19-2017, 12:26 AM
bump??

CuBob
11-19-2017, 07:01 AM
I was told he sold it and bought an old super cub

Eddie Foy
11-19-2017, 07:19 AM
He sold it and bought my Cub.

33690

Colorguns
11-19-2017, 08:08 AM
He sold it and bought my Cub.

33690
What a great plane with lots of history. Saw it in Utopia TX, Shooter will really enjoy this new ride!!
Doug

Eddie Foy
11-19-2017, 10:10 AM
Appears Miss P is about to get a set of Fowler flaps.

stewartb
11-19-2017, 10:11 AM
I'm more interested in the rest of the Rev 2 story.

Eddie Foy
11-19-2017, 10:27 AM
I'm more interested in the rest of the Rev 2 story.
PM Dennis. He will enlighten you. I know but he needs to tell it.
He is also on facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/ShooterSmith180?fref=ts

Aktahoe
11-20-2017, 03:44 PM
:roll:

Steve Pierce
11-20-2017, 04:31 PM
I remember when my Mom told me if I didn't have anything nice to say not to say anything. Like someone said if you really want to know give him a call. I know he had some issues and one thing to remember Dennis isn't a professional builder and I am not sure what his background in this kind of thing is. I know Mike has tons of experience building Cubs and that is worth a ton. I saw Dennis at Hondo and he was enjoying flying the Super Cub he bought from Eddie. Some people are fliers and some people are builders. I have this problem where I do it all day for others and would rather fly on my time off rather than build myself a nice one. ;)

mike mcs repair
11-20-2017, 04:39 PM
I have noticed over the years that many people here only post when they are researching for, or doing their (re)build projects, then seem to disappear...

and yes, this project has been challenging from the amount of parts we had to fabricate to try to do nice, can't just go buy most stuff(from multiple sources) like when doing an -18 or -12.... but theres light at the end of the tunnel....

RaisedByWolves
11-20-2017, 06:08 PM
I remember when my Mom told me if I didn't have anything nice to say not to say anything. Like someone said if you really want to know give him a call. I know he had some issues and one thing to remember Dennis isn't a professional builder and I am not sure what his background in this kind of thing is. I know Mike has tons of experience building Cubs and that is worth a ton. I saw Dennis at Hondo and he was enjoying flying the Super Cub he bought from Eddie. Some people are fliers and some people are builders. I have this problem where I do it all day for others and would rather fly on my time off rather than build myself a nice one. ;)

Oh, C'mon building if as fun as flying, isnt it?

Misery loves company

jaypratt
11-20-2017, 06:36 PM
Building is not for everyone.
I understand Pierce not wanting to build an airplane After Work. Getting off around 6:00 PM every day. Looking at my plane, thinking I ought to go fly,,,,,, even that is tough to do sometimes

Cub junkie
11-20-2017, 08:25 PM
Thats why a person needs two airplanes, one to build and one that is flying. Preferably cub type airplanes.

Dave Calkins
11-20-2017, 09:53 PM
Build an -18, then a 185, then a -12, then a 180, then an -18, then a Beaver, then a -14, then a 180.

......hopefully get ahead and keep one fer yerself.

........hopefully maintain sanity.

thats how I did it for years.

Most experimental airplane kits and backyard boat projects are not finished by the original "builder", I heard somewhere.

Cub Junkie....I hear you!!

Pierce, I feel your pain!

Dennis, if yer watchin this..........no shame in moving on toward what you really wanted anyway....a flying Cub!

stewartb
11-20-2017, 11:00 PM
Lesson learned. I won't offer any more info about my plane, either.

PIPER J5.5
11-20-2017, 11:56 PM
Wow

Dave Calkins
11-21-2017, 01:44 AM
Lesson learned. I won't offer any more info about my plane, either.

Why? I am missing something here!

Steve Pierce
11-21-2017, 07:40 AM
Lesson learned. I won't offer any more info about my plane, either.

He sold the project so I guess there is nothing more to post.

Steve Pierce
11-21-2017, 07:43 AM
Thats why a person needs two airplanes, one to build and one that is flying. Preferably cub type airplanes.

LOL, I did that. Problem is I fly instead of work on my own and when I work on my own I feelguilty because I could be working on a customers because I am always behind.

Steve Pierce
11-21-2017, 07:44 AM
Oh, C'mon building if as fun as flying, isnt it?

Misery loves company

I remember a conversation about that and I took some ribbing about I needed to take the knife to mine. 8)

Steve Pierce
11-21-2017, 07:45 AM
I'm gonna win the lotery, retire and build my dream Super Cub. I guess I need to start playing the lotery. :lol:

RaisedByWolves
11-21-2017, 09:29 AM
I remember a conversation about that and I took some ribbing about I needed to take the knife to mine. 8)

Just wait until you bend the tail and the trim doesnít work anymore. At least now I know what I have and donít have to worry. You should build up that NOS fuselage you have. As to the lottery I know of a guy who was at a gas station and went to throw something out, looked at the scratch ticket in the bucket and turned out to be a million dollar winner.


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Steve Pierce
11-21-2017, 01:31 PM
Just wait until you bend the tail and the trim doesn’t work anymore. At least now I know what I have and don’t have to worry. You should build up that NOS fuselage you have. As to the lottery I know of a guy who was at a gas station and went to throw something out, looked at the scratch ticket in the bucket and turned out to be a million dollar winner.


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I understand why you tore yours down, I am just not ready to tear mine down because it is ugly. 8)

mvivion
11-21-2017, 01:57 PM
I understand why you tore yours down, I am just not ready to tear mine down because it is ugly. 8)

Steve, that cub of yours is NOT ugly. A Found.....now that’s ugly.

jnorris
11-21-2017, 04:02 PM
Delete

Eddie Foy
11-21-2017, 04:13 PM
Yeah boy! Now yer talkin'!! Congrats!! Enjoy the project, and keep us posted.

Perhaps you should read the thread.

C-185
11-21-2017, 04:37 PM
Now Mike, I am quite found of the Flounders I fly.......

Mike