Hangar Ideas

[flybynite]

I was perusing the net looking for information on finishing out my hangar at KANE and came across a few ideas that may not be workable for me. If you are a fan of hydroswing doors, this may be for you. I was just trying to come up with thoughts on electrical, heat, air and data.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaBQ4IR79dw

and:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiHc6QCauXI

Wayne

[mike mcs repair]

neat!
..................

[Superchub]

Hydro is out of business??

[Dave Roberts]

Brandon, Yes, hydroswing went out of business. The employees started another company. This is their website. http://www.icondoors.com/index.php

Dave

[dougc905]

No airplanes in either of them. What a waste.

[HATIN11R]

No airplanes in either of them. What a waste.

Exactly what I first noticed too.........Herman.

[Pat]

Personal preference for me (and this is in a WI. climate) is, Schweiss OR Hi-fold door, Wirsbo in-floor heat WITH a hanging unit for back-up quik recovery (when the door is opened to pull your plane out), and a BAR for debriefing after the days flight...

[cubdriver2]

No airplanes in either of them. What a waste.

But at least the first one had a Isetta

Glenn

[King Brown]

How about no door? Doors are a real humbug in these parts. My aircraft had protection needed on our rugged coast with south-facing opening, 40 X 40 with 14-foot walls. No frozen tracks, no snow to remove, no cost, easily handling Champ, SC on Edo 2000s on dolly, and 185. I thought long and hard about doors, made inquiries of all manufacturers and haven't changed my mind. Doors are abominations in our weather.

[courierguy]

Good point King, keep it simple!

I need to keep it warm though, and have radiant heated floors in both the shop and the hangar, solar heated no less with assist if needed by a wood boiler. When all else fails the ceiling fan and a 6 KW electric heater. I'm happy with my 2 HydroSwings, 5 years now and zero issues. I just don't plan on going flying if the power is out, that happened once. I could rig the Kubota with an aux hyd. port to open the door using its hydraulics, but havn't gotten around to it.http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu213/simkot/DSC_0457.jpg

[flybynite]

Courierguy, I saw a thread where you were describing your heating and electrical systems. Very nice.

My hangar was built in 1986 with a slab on grade and pole barn construction. I purchased it two years ago from Ron Barrows, famous on this site for finishing out Doc Randy's hangar. He shared some ideas he had for the interior. The hangar was not insulated and has no water or sewer hookup, just a 100amp electrical service, few poorly done lights and a manual, counterbalanced door. The roof trusses are doubled up on 10' centers. It is 40W X 50D with 12' walls. Pretty basic.

So far, I have filled in between the wall purlins fixed some leaks and framed out the walls and ceiling for insulation and utilities. Although there is a sewer and water line only 10' out the back of it, it would cost about $10k to hook up to it.

4412 4413 4414

That's not my Bonanza. :cry:

I will be adding circuits for wall outlets, welder, HVAC, Compressor, door opener, lights, mezzanine, attic and small powder coat oven.
I am also running air lines from the compressor to each corner of the building and gas line for unit heaters.
I will also be installing data (cat 5e or 6) to each corner and mezzanine for computer/network hookups.

Current plan is for 5/8" firecode rock for the walls and steel for the ceiling.

The airplane will be added shortly... I am having some fuselage work done on it and should begin assembly someday soon.
What am I forgetting?

Wayne

[aktango58]

Need more power...

air, welder and then the margarita blender....

Put the compressor up i the rafters out of the way, but easy to service...

[mike mcs repair]

... Although there is a sewer and water line only 10' out the back of it, it would cost about $10k to hook up to it. ....

if you get caught ;-)
sometimes its better to ask forgiveness than to ask permission...

[Amy]

and a BAR for debriefing after the days flight...

The man knows what he is talking about . . . Definitely in the running for top 10 best hangars.

[Pat]

Amy,
Could it be referred to as..."A man cave"??? ;-)

[Amy]

Amy,
Could it be referred to as..."A man cave"??? ;-)

Probably! Perhaps a new show: Extreme Makeover: Hangar Edition

[Pat]

That works! I've seen some pretty cool hangars in my travels over the years, would be pretty neat to post them and also add ideas for new ones.........

[flybynite]

Need more power...

air, welder and then the margarita blender....

I think I have the Margarita blender covered. It doesn't even need it's own circuit. :-P


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDlMLqdvHzI

[Rick Papp]

I'm thinking about building a new hangar with a living quarters or a hangar home. If any one has photos I would like to see some. There only seems to be a few on an internet search. Rick

[Pat]

Rick,
Sent you email, let me know if the pics did not come thru....

Pat

[flybynite]

Rick,

If your area is zoned, a lot of what you can or cannot do is limited by the building code. Even more by local building code enforcement officials unfamiliar with conjoined or hangars with integral living quarters.
Wayne

[Carey Gray]

Don't build a hangar with an apartment.
Build a small house with a really big attached garage/shop.
"Hangar" raises all kinds of flags. I jumped through that hoop about 20 years ago.

[OLDCROWE]

I'm thinking about building a new hangar with a living quarters or a hangar home. If any one has photos I would like to see some. There only seems to be a few on an internet search. Rick
Rick, next time you're in town for a Los Cabbos fix you need to see Mike's hanger and and his sons house in it. But you can't do it at a FAA funded airport.

[aktango58]

Red Green will want one!!!!

Anyone have a Vette Engine not being used?:yikez:

or a R-985?:Gscared:

[Rick Papp]

Kirby, Margie and I got to see Mike and his sons place last year. I need to get him ( or one of my other Okie buddies) to send me some pics of it. Margie was sold on the idea of living in a place like that. Rick

[Rick Papp]

Wayne, Pat and Carey, Thanks for the photos and advice. There sure are lots of things to think about!!!

[SteveE]

Kirby, Margie and I got to see Mike and his sons place last year. I need to get him ( or one of my other Okie buddies) to send me some pics of it. Margie was sold on the idea of living in a place like that. Rick

You don't have any Okie buddies.....

[Rick Papp]

Probably more than you do Buster !!!!!!

[barbwire]

Started framing this week on a hangar. The footings were placed 2 months ago. Have been waiting for the trusses and they arrived last week. Began layout Monday afternoon and framing on Tuesday.45994601

Picture on the left was Monday and pic on the right was yesterday morning. Today was suppose to be truss day but it is windy. Will go at it again tomorrow.
I will post updates as work progresses.----tom

[flybynite]

Tom,

That looks like it is on a full perimeter foundation. Are you planning on heating it? Even if you don't plan on heating it, I still would consider insulating the slab. It helps cut down on condensation on those days when the ground is still cold and you get warm humid air. Are there any "special" features that you plan on adding?

Wayne

[aktango58]

put the wirsbo heat tubes in the floor as well as insulation... you might decide in a couple of years that you want heat, and a house hot water heater can be used to heat the slab if the tubes are in.

[barbwire]

I insulated both sides of the 4' deep footings with 1.5" ground insulation. I will put pex pipe in the slab for floor heat.
I already have a two zone heat system and boiler that I salvaged from a demolition project to power the floor heat. I will also put a 75 or 100K Hot Dawg in one corner for rapid recovery (propane). That is what I am using in the little adjacent hangar. I have floor heat in that bld also but have never hooked it up.

I am going to spray foam the walls and the 45' by 16' (High Fold door) on this new building.
When I get in tonight I will post some more pics of the progress. Five trusses up now ---- breaking for lunch.
The spray foam insulation makes a normally drafty metal building impervious. That made a huge difference in the existing hangar when I had it spray foamed a few years ago. Now takes half the propane to heat it!
------tom

[courierguy]

I hang a lot of trusses for a living, as part of my crane service. Hangars are potentially some of the most tricky to do, if I'm working with part time builders.

No partitions walls to walk on and provide extra bracing, high side walls, and big spans. Be careful and get a picture of how you're setting your trusses. You got it right on the foam insul, makes it airtight plus great R value. One thing: if the cost of your electricity is less then 10 cent a KWH, and the cost of your propane more then 2 bucks a gallon, heating the water with electricity is the way to go. There are some cheap electrical boilers out there (Called the Mini'boiler, by Electro Industries) that are super simple to rig up and easy to regulate.

[barbwire]

Saturday was a beautiful day and we completed setting the trusses and most of the wind bracing.
The high work is done until the roof steel! (thank god----I am beat and need a rest):roll:

[Dave Roberts]

Did you think you would have such beautiful weather to work on your hanger this time of year? There is nothing like having your own hanger and even better if it is where you live.

Dave

[Patrol Guy]

Rick I know why Margie likes that hangar apartment idea...., so she can use your bi-fold door to hang her deer from maybe???

PS: I always thought I'd like to build a "bank barn" hangar where the airplane was parked on the upper wood floor, and the bottom could be living, a shop, or storage. Having the plane on the wood, would keep moisture away with better ventilation.

[Amy]

Amy,
Could it be referred to as..."A man cave"??? ;-)

This just in:

http://www.target.com/p/Man-Cave-Black-Linen-24/-/A-13127147#?lnk=sc_qi_detailbutton

[SFD9]

I was perusing the net looking for information on finishing out my hangar at KANE and came across a few ideas that may not be workable for me. If you are a fan of hydroswing doors, this may be for you. I was just trying to come up with thoughts on electrical, heat, air and data.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaBQ4IR79dw

and:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiHc6QCauXI

Wayne

I lived in an hangar apartment at ANE for 2weeks when I was home on break from A&P school. Apprentice sorta thing with a friend. Pretty cool place to 'call home' with a Mustang below your bedroom window! :)

[barbwire]

It's Embarrassing :???:
Started this thread in early December and this is all that has been accomplished.
I have all the excuses ready:
1) I'm not a young as I used to be!
2) It has been windy so we can't work!
3) The Holidays
I can go on but it is sad when this is all I can show for two months:oops:

[Aussie Scout]

That's all you can show!!!! Man you ought to be real proud! Come to Aus and check my house, it would fit inside your hanger, it aint finished and it has been going on 5 years. No divorce yet but something tells me I should pull my finger out.

[irishfield]

Come on Rob.. we all know the hangar takes first priority!! I just started on our Master Bedroom onsuite bath today... what's the rush, we've been in the house since 1997!!

Great looking hangar barbwire... great to see steel on it to get it past the vulnerable stage. All that strapping in the wind is the dangerous stage before you get the steel in place. I had an excavator and a backhoe holding mine up before the steel went on or I would have lost it.

[PabloKoh]

Has anyone thought of installing radiant ceiling panels just above your parking location? It seems like a waste to heat a whole hangar slab when you just need to keep a cub warm. Set up the drop ceiling grid 24 inches above your wings and the radiant panels will keep your plane nice and toasty. Then install some t-5 lighting above the cockpit, baggage doors and engine bay.

[P.o.P]

If your building why not heat the floor?

Once you have a heated floor you won't want anything else.

If the floor is already in place some long electric baseboard heaters should do fine if you

make them portable & place under the aircraft.

[courierguy]

I keep my hangar in the high 40's to mid 50's through the Idaho winters with a radiant floor heat system that uses six 4x8 hydronic thermal panels. No controls or storage to speak of, the hot water goes directly in the insulated slab. It thermally coasts through the night. As soon as the solar loop reaches 80 degrees a second circ pump starts the flow. A few ball valves serve as zone controls, I can split the available heat between the shop, hangar, or any combination of the two.

A cheap 6 KW 240 VAC fan forced electric space heater and a ceiling fan will quickly bring the temps up to shirt sleeve comfort, as the slab is already warmish....call it a hybrid system, but taking the chill out of the massive concrete slab makes any other heat source much more effective. This seems to be more cost effective then a single heating source and gives me the option of no expense whatsoever of 40 and 50's temp control and much warmer spot heating when doing maintenance.

[barbwire]

Updated pictures from this afternoon:
Crew is working tomorrow on putting metal on bi-fold door.
Saturday I will make adjustments to the door locks. The added weight of the metal will change the settings I have it adjusted to now. Maybe drill the hole in concrete for the wind bar. (storm forecast on Tuesday and that wind bar will make me sleep better):ZZZsleep:

[mongo]

Well I'm jealous

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[Ruffair]

barbwire,
I hope you made it through the wind today.
Real nice looking hangar.

[narrow deck]

Gotta love those hanger projects......
Started with a 40x40 pole building 39' Schweiss and added a 64'w 40' deep stick built out the back with a wrap-around 20x40 Apt. 50' Schweiss w/straps on the new hanger. All closed in for the Alaska winter by last Oct. Now I wait until spring to hit it again. LOTS of work.
64' wood trusses look almost impossible.
Good luck w/ yours barbwire

[courierguy]

Yesterday, a 45 year old cinderblock barn (NO bond beams) blew down in 70+ gusts, a buddy was keeping his toys in it. Tricky crane work, not making it worse. http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu213/simkot/DSC_1392.jpghttp://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu213/simkot/DSC_1379.jpg

[barbwire]

Courierguy: Sorry man that is a bad deal. Looks like you were able to salvage the toys!
I like your solar Idea!
Pictures this morning. Blizzard warnings up for tomorrow. If it materializes it will actually be our first of the winter. Last winter we had several by now. What a difference a year makes.
Just need to trim the two corners and adjust the door and the exterior will be done!!!

[Tim]

Very nice hangar

[swoeric]

do any of the bifold door designs have a hand crank for emergencies...if so could i get a pic of the mechanism

[barbwire]

swoeric,
I have a Schweiss Door on the little hangar in the above thread and a High Fold Door on the bigger hangar to the right. Neither has a hand crank but I have been told you can put a drill on the end of the shaft at the chain drive and crank it up. It suppose to stay up. :???: I have never tried this and attempt at your own risk but I talked to a friend of a friend who said he tried it and it worked.
I keep a small generator sitting in the corner for such emergencies.

[courierguy]

I know when I bought my HydroSwing, it was suggested to use a farm tractor, which I have handy, and it's hydraulic system in case you want to go flying when the powers out. Probably less then 100 bucks of fittings and hoses.

[barbwire]

Update on Hangar
Installing floor heat yesterday.
Wiring the electric panels and then covering with base material.

[cruiser]

How many watts per heater? How many thermostats? I paid $.12 a kwh my last bill, what is the rate at your hanger? Jim

[barbwire]

Cruiser,
The 7' panels are 460 watts
The 5' panels are 320 watts. These are 240 single phase
Two thermostats, one in the bathroom that controls 3ea. 7 ft panels, the other in the hangar on the north wall---- with a wall thermostat and slab probe that control 23ea panels.
I have the separate meter for this heat and it is half price or about $.0375 kwh . ----
I wonder why your power is so expensive??

[cruiser]

It is pricey, recently deregulated public utility that buys all the electricity it sells now that all of the generation is sold. My $6 gas would seem a bargain buying electricity for all of that heat. Interesting. Jim

[courierguy]

At .0375 per KWH, it sounds like you will be taking advantage of off peak rates? Or a different rate for space heating?While we here in Idaho are at around.065 or so, most of the nation is a LOT higher. Off peak rates are the way to go, especially if you have the thermal mass of floor heater, a simple timer makes it happen, the timer and a thermostat of course. What type of floor insulation did you use...any at all is many times better then none. Heat doesn't rise, (hot air does of course, different thing) in an application like this a thermal break will direct the heat upwards otherwise the ground below will suck it up happily.

[barbwire]

Yes the floor heat is on a separate meter and is half price. Eventually they will restrict use to the midnight to 4 am time frame as many utilities already do but at the present time no restrictions. This system will work great for the offpeak requirement. I will post a pic. of the controller after it gets installed.
I put two 1.5"-- 4 by 8 sheets of ground insulation on each side of the frost wall surrounding the bld. Inside and outside the form with the outside one going to the top of the concrete. That should limit the lateral movement of the heat. It will be interesting to see what it costs to heat.
I will only keep the main hangar at 45 F or so and 65 in the bathroom:oops: (guy has to be comfortable)

[cubdriver2]

Yes the floor heat is on a separate meter and is half price. Eventually they will restrict use to the midnight to 4 am time frame as many utilities already do but at the present time no restrictions. This system will work great for the offpeak requirement. I will post a pic. of the controller after it gets installed.
I put two 1.5"-- 4 by 8 sheets of ground insulation on each side of the frost wall surrounding the bld. Inside and outside the form with the outside one going to the top of the concrete. That should limit the lateral movement of the heat. It will be interesting to see what it costs to heat.
I will only keep the main hangar at 45 F or so and 65 in the bathroom:oops: (guy has to be comfortable)

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Glenn

[8GCBC]

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Glenn

That's funny. In Japan they use them frequently. I have lived in countries where space heaters were to not used at night, but the "can" was heated.

[OldYellow]

Be careful Glenn.......:lol::lol::lol:

http://gizmodo.com/5266057/the-death-row-inmate-who-turned-his-toilet-into-an-electric-chair

[cubdriver2]

Be careful Glenn.......:lol::lol::lol:

http://gizmodo.com/5266057/the-death-row-inmate-who-turned-his-toilet-into-an-electric-chair


Yikes :yikez: I wonder if he knew what a hot$hit he was. :roll:

Glenn

[courierguy]

I have a 100 watt flat panel heater on the side of the vanity about 16" from the can, left on all night and with the bathroom door kept closed, it will heat the bathroom and in particular the toilet itself. So yeah, life is good first thing in the morning!

[barbwire]

Just a couple pictures of the finished inside. The building has taken 15 months and I just finished the epoxy floor coat on Monday night. The building is 3200 sq.ft. 50' by 60' with bathroom and hallway to another hangar. It has electric floor heat (see above post on panels)
The bill for heat in Nov. $110--the bill for Dec. $154 and this was at at a concrete probe temperature of 60*. I have since lowered the probe temp to 54* and at the same time the bottom has fallen out of the outside temps. Our high was -2 on Monday. It is very comfortable to work in at this temp but I will eventually settle on about 48* probe temp when I know the epoxy floor is completely dry.

[cruiser]

Sweet! I like it. Jim

[Tim]

very nice

[SC3CM]

Don't pull it in so far and it'll be easier to walk around the back. :)


Rene

[flybynite]

That looks really nice. I am jealous about the infloor heat.

I just picked up a glulam for the loft in my hangar. Should be able to get it into place next week.

9987

[Rick Papp]

Has anyone used a K building for a hanger ? Kbuildings.com. Rick

[Patrol Guy]

Rick - Mark Powelson near New Albany had one built. It seems like a nice building. His can hold about six planes all jammed in.

[Rick Papp]

John, I'm out of town till Monday . I'll get ahold of you later for more info.

[mountainmatt]

I find this thread is incomplete without this budget build roto-tiller hangar.

http://www.bcsportbikes.com/forum/showthread.php/146566-Build-to-Fail-Fail-to-Build.-What-is-this-I-don-t-even

[Rick Papp]

Reminds me of my first tree house !!!!!