Dillingham Cub crash.

[T.J.]

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[gregory]

check ktuu.com. he will be ok i think, a little cold and a bum shoulder but thats better than some of the alternatives. greg

[SJ]

Here ya go. Just another reason to fly a Super Cub... They have warm skin.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/aviation/story/7558255p-7469762c.html

[behindpropellers]

Glad he was ok. Must have been tough for the dad flying over and seeing his son's plane burning. :tup: :tup:

[Crash]

Two broken legs....another reason to "X" brace and step up the tubing size (wall thickness) of the firewall diagonal tubes. They always "come in" on you in a nose down crash. Thank God he survived. Crash

[gpepperd]

This crash with fire also underscores why you need to be properly dressed for sudden ejection into the outside enviroment and why you need to give second thought to wearing a bunch of polyester clothing. Wool or nomex is much safer in event of the dreaded fire.

[cubflier]

Three cheers for the AANG and RCC. What a prize asset they are for the state of Alaska.

Jerry

[cubscull]

Justin Rogers is a good friend or mine, ha checked me out in my new supercub up in OTZ a few years ago & Im shure his survival is due to his remarkable cub flying skills & outdoorsman knowhow! I dont know the details yet but Im headen to anchorage today to get the skinney & see if I can in anyway help him & Erica. I'm glad he will fly with us again!

[Christina Young]

Three cheers for the AANG and RCC. What a prize asset they are for the state of Alaska.

Jerry

What surprises me is this statement:


So far this year, the PJs have made 67 saves and assisted in the rescue of nine others, according to National Guard data. The Pave Hawk crews of the 210th Rescue Squadron and the Hercules crews of the 211th Rescue Squadron have made additional saves and assists, she said.


It's only March, and already 67 rescues and 9 assists!!??

[cubflier]

I have a couple of very close friends that have been introduced to these folks, one via mishap, and one was overdue from a hunting trip.

In the case of the overdue cub I worked with RCC in finding these guys. They had five feet of snow hit them on a goat hunt and they were on wheels. They were two days overdue when I got the call from RCC. I gave them several guesses as to their location. Quicker than I could race to Palmer and start my cub up these guys had plowed a Blackhawk up through some very nasty weather and plucked them out of winter wonderland.

In the case of the mishap a friend had broke a gear leg by clipping an ice ridge on his 14 on landing south of Iliamna. My friend radioed his condition and parts needs to a fellow pilot and that all was ok as he was very equipped to stay the evening. Next thing he knew a C-130 came over, and parachute dropped survival supplies. They raised him on the radio and confirmed he was able to camp the evening and that there was no injuries.

These guys are damn serious about saving lives and take no chances. I'm so glad to see them carve another "life saved" notch in their belt.

Got a love em.

Jerry

[jay cross]

Dano give me a call if I can help. I was in that guard unit for 30 years. When we got the 210th it was a really good deal for the state. those guys are real professionals. They also took over the rcc duties. Let Stevens, Murkowski, and Young know you appreciate them. They are spending a lot of time overseas and we don't want them to get streched too thin. Jay

[aktango58]

Some of the rescues were the Yukon Quest mushers. A big storm hit and trapped the mushers on a summit with very deep snow for a few days. Snowmachiners tried and could not get up the slopes. Rescue efforts and travel were hampered by 100 kts of wind I heard.

Guess who was on a cold weather rescue training mission? So the green blackhawks flew up and pulled a couple loads of people and dogs off the mt.

Never seen a blackhawk that wasn't welcome.

[mvivion]

Christina,

These guys live and die by their "numbers". What the Congressional decision makers, and the DOD types want to see is results, even from medevac outfits. The old story, you always hope you won't need them, but you also hope they're there in case you do.

So, they are on a routine flight, and they see some guy with a Super Cub on a beach, parked, and fiddling with the airplane. Turns out the dang thing won't start, and the pilot is hand propping it. The SAR crew watches, the pilot starts the plane and flys away. That qualifys as an "assist". Sounds corny, but if the pilot had actually needed help, he would have gotten it.

So, some (not implying a lot, necessarily) of these "assists" and even a few of the "saves" were really not life threatening.

That's okay, and I hope they keep logging them, cause the decision makers will send them somewhere else if they don't demonstrate their worth.

First time you're in deep kimchee looking up the hoist cable, you will truly think these guys are wonderful.

They do a great job, and they work hard, in some very dangerous conditions at times.

MTV

[ChrisZ]

And they might mean the Federal Fiscal Year that began October 1st?

[Christina Young]

So, they are on a routine flight, and they see some guy with a Super Cub on a beach, parked, and fiddling with the airplane. Turns out the dang thing won't start, and the pilot is hand propping it. The SAR crew watches, the pilot starts the plane and flys away. That qualifys as an "assist". Sounds corny, but if the pilot had actually needed help, he would have gotten it.


Heee hee hee...... now I understand. I guess it's the thought that counts! :lol:

Actually, I do have a lot of respect for them. My first experience with PJ's was when I was going through SERE in the Air Force. If it weren't for them I guess you would have to take weeks walking out of the bush possibly in the dead of winter, if you didn't die first. Like in Jean Potter's book about early Alaska aviators in the 1920's and 30's. We definitely have it much easier (and safer) compared to them.

[Wannabe Cubdriver]

Yes, indeed, you gotta love those guys. Whenever I'm in the Mess and see an orange flight suit, I make it a point to buy him a beer (Canadian Forces SAR Techs wear orange flight suits). I've neer needed that big yellow Cormorant, but Im awful glad that they are there. They have spectular training and do outstanding work, in all types of conditions. We had a Herc crash in the arctic in '91, and what those guys did during that rescue is legend now. There is a book and a movie made about it.

[jay cross]

The Alaska Air Guard was in on that Canadian Herc crash ar Alert Bay. The Canadians called the State Dept. who called the Pentagon who said it would take a couple of days for them to help. Someone called Uncle Ted who said call the Guard. Within a few hours we launched a HC-130 to Greenland. The AirForce downloaded a C-5 and we prepared two Pavehawks, by taking the roter blades off and getting them certified for shipment. I signed the paperwork and within I believe 8 hours they were on their way to Sondy. Our crews went on another HC. They put the helos together and flew them to Alert Bay with air to air refueling. They, the helos, used hand held gps's for navigation. The Canadians beat the Guard to the rescue by shipping in a Huey in pieces and assembling it and doing the rescue with no test flight
They grounded it afterwards. Everyone did their best. I t was a case of everyone doing their job to the max. Jay

[rsmarch]

Two broken legs....another reason to "X" brace and step up the tubing size (wall thickness) of the firewall diagonal tubes. They always "come in" on you in a nose down crash. Thank God he survived. Crash

Crash/others,

I would be interested to hear more detail about the suggestion of stepping up the tubing size in the firewall diagonals. Especially as it might apply to a 12? I talked to my welder here and he said the 18 has a diagonal from upper engine mount to the front gear leg and he sometimes adds a diagonal from the lower engine mounts up making a sort of X-brace on either side on an 18. He has never done this on a 12, but said the 12 starts with the opposite diagonal in place (the one from the lower engine mounts up).
http://www.dakotaairframe.com/modified2_no_shadow.jpg
We discussed adding the diagonal from the upper engine mounts down to the front gear leg. Has anyone strengthened this area of a 12 fuselage and if so how?

Thanks, Rod

[Crash]

You're right, the PA-12 and 14 have the diagonal tube running from the upper door post / longeron to the lower engine mount like it should be. It is also stepped up in size and is in a "tension" mode instead of a "compression" mode like the PA-18 fuselage.

Some things I would do next time I have a bare fuselage. Cut out the "V" tubes that run from the lower engine mounts to the center of the gear fitting carry through tube and take these from 3/4" .035 to 3/4" .049. Cut out the lower 3/4" x .035 longeron at the factory splice just forward of the gear attachments to the lower engine mounts and replace them with 3/4" x .049. On a PA-18 I would cut out the diagonals (upper engine to lower gear cluster) and take them up to .049 and reverse them. I would then "X" brace both of them. I feel these changes would help to keep the lower firewall from buckling in and breaking your legs during a nose down crash.

A friend of mine came upon a crashed Cub one day out in the bush. It had just crashed and the pilot was stuck inside of it. He talked to him for a while and then the guy looked at him and said "tell my wife I love her" and passed way, just like that! Turned out both of his legs were broken and he was bleeding out from the jagged ends cutting some arteries.

Crash

[wadecalvin]

Does anyone know how Justin Rogers is doing and how the accident happened?

[PA!2]

You can check on Justins progress by going to Google and typing in "thestatus.com" without spaces once yoiu are at the site click on visit a patient at the top left and using the patient ID "rodgers" and password "june-believe" then hit visit. This should get you in. This is a great site that is updated with information about his recovery daily. You can sent him an e-mail at this site as well. His recovery is going well. We are thinking about getting some fund rasing effort going any experience or suggetions would be greatly appreciated.
PA!2

[Luke_theDrifter]

Justin Rodgers is a strong, big-boned man with plenty of grit and will. He's been through numerous surgery's, and other medical procedures. All indications is that he is doing better. Word around here is that he's getting grumpy about laying around in the hospital bed, which is a great sign that he's still got sand in his gut and fight.
If anyone can recover from this my bet would be he's the man. We've sent him get-well cards and have had him & his family in our prayers.

They're having a Spegetti feed dinner for him and his family this coming weekend here in Dillingham.

As far as what happened out there....... Well, maybe no one will every know for sure. Its wrong to speculate to much and point fingers and/or blame any one thing. Justin is a prudent pilot, got considerable bush-time as a driver and pretty handy w/ a Cub. From what I do know he was the only occupant of the plane and no one saw exactly what happened.

good flying..>Byron

[C-185]

It's been awhile, does anyone know how Justin is doing??

[cubscull]

Justin is back in dillingham & finally back to work! I think he is still going through therapy. & rumor has it he is back into another cub , i'm not shore if he is flying just yet . justin is one tough young man may god be with him & Erica.

[C-185]

Cubscull, thanks. You are right about Justin being one tough guy. I have worked with him in the past. Glad to hear things worked out.

Happy Holidays

Mike