Feinstein's at it again...........

Feinstein Planning to Offer Semi-auto Ban as an Amendment Soon
-- Please urge your Senators to oppose this effort


An alert from Gun Owners of America - http://www.gunowners.org

(Thursday, June 3, 2004) - Well, we knew this day would eventually come.

SDGO and GOA have been warning gun owners that Democrat Senator Dianne
Feinstein of California would be looking for an avenue to attach her gun ban to unrelated legislation sometime this year.

According to Senate sources, Feinstein will be making her move quite soon.

While she reportedly has her eyes on a number of different bills as possible vehicles for her amendment, it seems certain that she will try to piggy-back her anti-gun language onto a legal reform bill (such as S. 2062) within the next few weeks.



You will remember that when Feinstein offered her gun ban amendment in March, it passed 52-47.

While a switch of only three Senators would be enough to kill the amendment, it seems that the easiest way to defeat Feinstein will be through a filibuster. Our side only needs 41 Senators to kill her amendment through the art of filibuster, and it would appear that we definitely have that many votes... BUT ONLY IF THE 47 SENATORS WHO VOTED RIGHT LAST TIME CONTINUE TO HOLD THE LINE!

That's why we need another barrage of phone calls and e-mails going into Senate offices.

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cubdrvr,
glad you brought this post up,it needs to be talked about on a regualar basis's.
hope it dosn't get moved to rant and rave,because it has as much to do with our cub's and flying as it has everything to do with our freedom.
past ,present,and future veterans,gave their live's and years of their live's to protect our freedom.
when we let some politician try and reduce these rights,we are giving up all of our rights.there is someone out there,that dose not like us flying cubs,and will try to take this freedom away also.
so its about guns and everything else you care about,even if your not for something, you need to consider the actions and agendas of the one's trying to take our rights away from us.
guns are the main reasons we still have these freedom's,give this right up and forfet the rest,as much of the other countries have already done.
not picking on you pete,but wev'e bailed the brit's out twice,when you collected all of the private guns,we took up collections and sent you weapons to defend yourselves.

protect our rights and freedom

jr.

Very well said, jr.

As long as folks are discussing problems with individuals threatening rights relative to the forum (in this case it is a sportsmans' forum, not a cub forum) , as you do in this case, and not making blanket bashing statements about one "team" or another, I have no problem with posts like this. It is when we start the name calling and stereotyping that it all degrades into worthless drivel and really does not help anybody do anything. You guys started to go there, but seem to have brought it into check... thanks.

sj

steve said:

It is when we start the name calling and stereotyping that it all degrades into worthless drivel and really does not help anybody do anything.

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kinda like my cub is better that your cub LOL :lol:

I once saw a good bumper sticker, it said:

IT'S NOT ABOUT GUNS

IT'S ABOUT FREEDOM



you could put "Cubs" instead of guns

Feinstein Gun Ban Could Come up in the Senate Next Week

South Dakota Gun Owners E-mail Alert
PO Box 3845, Rapid City, SD 57709
(605) 737-5583
LibertyTeeth@sdgo.org http://www.SDGO.org



An alert from Gun Owners of America - http://www.gunowners.org

(Friday, July 2, 2004) - On Tuesday, the Senate is scheduled to begin consideration of legislation to limit class action lawsuits -- a prime candidate for so-called liberal "killer amendments," including the Feinstein amendment to extend the ban on semiautomatic firearms and magazines.

Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) has threatened to offer her semi-auto ban to any "appropriate" legislative vehicle, and the class action bill is about as "appropriate" as any on the Senate's legislative schedule.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) has, at his disposal, a variety of parliamentary techniques to prevent Feinstein from offering the semiautomatic ban. Back in March, he chose NOT to use these parliamentary maneuvers during the debacle over the ill-fated gun makers' protection act.

The debate over this pro-gun bill resulted in a free-for-all which led to killer amendments being added to the bill -- amendments like the Feinstein gun ban.

SDGO and GOA are urging Frist to learn from his mistakes and to use his leadership office to insure that the Feinstein amendment is not offered to S. 2062.

America is at a crossroads on the Second Amendment. If the pro-gun community can succeed in killing the extension of the semi-auto ban (due to expire on September 13) we will have inflicted a serious blow on the anti-gun zealots -- a blow from which they will not soon recover.

If, on the other hand, Feinstein is successful in forcing her amendment to the president's desk, Bush has indicated that he will sign the ban -- and the pro-gun community will be on the defensive and facing the anti-gunners' next priority: a comprehensive gun registration scheme.

ACTION: Please contact Senate Majority Leader Frist. Tell him to use whatever parliamentary tools are necessary to block consideration of the Feinstein semi-auto ban -- particularly as an amendment to the class action bill.

You can call Senator Frist at (202) 224-3344, or go to http://frist.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=AboutSenatorFrist.ContactForm

to send a message similar to the one below.

----- Pre-written letter -----

Dear Senator Frist:

America is at a crossroads. If we are successful in blocking the Feinstein semiautomatic ban, we will have inflicted a major blow to the anti-gun community -- a blow from which it will not soon recover.

Therefore, we would urge you to use any parliamentary tools at your disposal to prevent this amendment from being offered ? particularly to the class action bill.



Thank you.

Sincerely,

Just wondering: Do you think the enemy is going to invade with guns? A nuclear missile is more likely. I'm not sure gun control is about hunting rifles, mostly it's about automatic and semi-automatic weapons, which is about killing our fellow citizens. They really don't do much good against missiles.

Anne.

Missles may start it, but the ground pounders will finish it. Thats where the guns will come into play.

Anne,
I'd submit that the gun system isn't what's broken. The court system is.
SB

Automatic rifles have been illegal since 1960 or so. It is a common propaganda tool they use to instill a fear of guns and promote more radial forms of gun control.

There are MANY MANY semi-auto hunting rifles that have been used for years that are functionally the same as most of the rifles they are now wanting to ban. The ones they want to ban just "look" like menacing objects, however are no more a threat to anyone than any other semi-auto hunting rifle. The MOST dangerous thing, its the person holding it.

I cant figure out how so many people can blame an inanimate object. We need to start placing the blame squarely where it belongs, on the shoulders of those people so willing to mis-use these toos.

Here in AK, its even required to carry weapons in any aircraft going more then 25nm away from its departure airport (or something similar to that). I find that quite a few of those they are wanting to ban, make a fine rifle to carry. They are fairly light, a little compact, easy to carry enough ammo for, have enough power to hunt for food to survive, and while not the best, offer at least some protection against bear. Its a toss up between 6 .44 shots or 30 .223 or 30 7.62x39 against one. 6 big holes, or 30 small ones. But smaller ones are better for smaller folks and even young kids as the recoil is more controllable.

The problem with gun control is not that they want to limit anything, their stated goal is the complete dis-armament of the american people.

Dianne Feinstein.
CBS 60 minutes interview
?If I could have gotten 51 votes in the senate of the united states for an outright ban, picking up every one of them, ?Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in,? I would have done it?

This is a direct violation of our rights under the constitution and agree or not, a direct attack on our civil liberties should be fought by all.

I don't think there is a sportsman in the US that would not support a ban on certain weapons if they thought it would be beneficial......AND WOULD STOP THERE !!!
However, there are people that are totally anti-gun supporters.......they know a total ban is not doable, but if they can encroach a little bit at a time then that long term goal may be possible. Just as in the aviation industry there are folks that think aviation travel should be restricted to commercial and business use. We have lost a lot of freedoms and airspace since 9/11 under the pretext of security. If we don't fight for our right to use the airspace ( kudos to AOPA) then gradually that will erode away also. We all have interests that we love.........and we should fight to protect them.
If the judges in this country would enforce the laws we have and hand down severe penalties for criminal firearm use we wouldn't be talking about gun control. Seems folks are more concerned about criminals rights than the violation of the victim.

It starts with banning something like guns, then before you know it they want to ban those noisy airplanes that endanger their children by flying overhead.

All sportsmen and gun owners should take a look................

http://www.awbansunset.com/

[/quote]If the judges in this country would enforce the laws we have and hand down severe penalties for criminal firearm use we wouldn't be talking about gun control.[/quote]

Amen, Dave, that's the real answer! There's too much gun violence, but unfortunately, most of it is with handguns, not assault rifles. So the gun ban that's about to expire hasn't saved the victims of most shootings (at least in Detroit and most other large cities).

Does anyone have any statistics to show that this ban has actually decreased gun-related violence in the last ten years?

Anne.

Ill see if i can find the links again, however everything I have read (I think it was a DOJ study) said that there was no discernable effect good or bad on the ban.

If you really want some great statistical analysis, check out "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott. Nobody else even comes close.

Gun Control means using both hands. The republicans haven't started to show what Kerry is like. Just wait until after the conventions and the GOP gets going on the real stuff.

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Actually......

Guys,
Actually, by the ATF's own rules, fully automatic rifles (and pistols) are not really illegal. A non-felon can purchase one simply by going through a criminal check, and paying a one time fee of $200, the same goes with sound suppressors. There are very, very few permitted fully automatic weapons out there due to their costs to purchase. A M-16 will typically cost over $6000. A legal M14, and this one ain't worth spit as a full auto weapon, can cost as much as $25,000. Most are really expensive in their fully automatic form, so not many are in the hands of the public. Heck, even Glock sells a fully automatic pistol.
Feinstein wants to confuse the public into thinking that semi-auto weapons are "machine guns". Many in congress want to model the US society to that like in the UK. UK folks are no longer citizens, but subjects, under the thumb of their elected representatives.
Probably a quarter to a third of all weapons in existence are semi autos. Many .22's are semi-autos, as are numerous hunting rifles and shotguns.
Banning them would be but the first step to confiscation of all firearms, then we would be no different than the UK subjects.
My 2 cents worth.

Mike

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This arrived today:

GOA/SDGO Members Shoot Down Latest Effort to Extend Semi-auto Ban



South Dakota Gun Owners E-mail Alert
PO Box 3845, Rapid City, SD 57709
(605) 737-5583
LibertyTeeth@sdgo.org http://www.SDGO.org



An alert from Gun Owners of America - http://www.gunowners.org


(Tuesday, July 13, 2004) - Congratulations!

Through your efforts, you have succeeded in killing the best opportunity that anti-gunners had to extend the ban on roughly two hundred semiautomatic firearms.

Liberals had intended to offer the semi-auto ban as a "killer amendment" to class action reform legislation which was considered by the Senate last week. At first, there was every indication that Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist was going to allow anti-gunners like Sen. Feinstein to offer the gun ban amendment.

But after you bombarded Frist's office with demands that he prevent the semi-auto amendment, Frist -- in a parliamentary move that GOA suggested -- took steps to procedurally block all "killer amendments," including the semi-auto ban.

Liberal anti-gunners whined and screamed on the Senate floor, and threatened to kill the class action bill in retaliation. But we appear to have won the battle for now, as the class action bill has been pulled from the floor.

This victory is huge. Compared to the ill-fated strategy used on the gun makers' protection act (S. 1805) earlier in the year, the outcome on the class action bill was as good as could be expected in the poisoned environment on the Hill. Consider the following:

* The best chance for reenacting the semi-auto ban prior to its September 13 expiration is now dead;

* Unlike the gun liability bill -- defeated 8-to-90 in March after it was loaded down with "killer amendments" -- pro-business Senators can still bring the class action bill back up at some later point during this session;

* Unlike with the gun liability bill, the class action bill did not offer anti-gun Democrats a week of Senate floor time to promote their agenda; and

* Those anti-gunners who cynically pretended to support the class action bill were forced to make a choice between politically powerful constituencies -- between the pro-business community and the trial lawyers.

We will be certain to let you quickly know any news on this issue when it comes up.

In the meantime, ask every candidate for office their position on this crucial issue, and how they will vote.

FYI ...Senator Dianne Feinstein has a concealed carry permit.

If I were Feinstein........

Hey, If I was Ms. Diane, and I was trying to steal one of the most important freedoms that Americans currently have, I'd have one concealed too, along with a bunch of bodyguards.
The only reason one can surmise, why our elected representatives should want to disarm us is so that we have no way to fight back if "they" jammed down our throats terrible new taxes and laws. That is precisely why the "founders" wanted the public right to have weapons- to protect our freedom. We are not the UK, and will never surrender our freedoms.

Mike

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Better bring.........

Have you seen her? Better bring a grocery bag.

Mike

paper or plastic?