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Todd C
05-03-2004, 03:26 AM
For anyone looking for info on this subject, here are some sites I found (are there others?):

Muktuk Floats: http://www.ultralightfloats.com/index.htm

Falconair Avia: http://members.shaw.ca/kfalconar/fa/floats.htm

Montana Float : http://www.montanafloat.com/index.html

Zenair/Czech Aircraft Works: http://www.czaw.cz/

Full Lotus: http://www.full-lotus.com

Northaire: www.store.wagaero.com , search for SKU M-503-000

Alaska Cubs
05-03-2004, 09:14 AM
Check out http://www.clamarfloats.com. We just brought back with us to Alaska two sets of 2200 amphibs and one set of 2200 straight floats. These floats are designed after Edo 2000 but are composite, have flat tops, are lighter and a whole lot stronger than aluminum floats. We plan to be at the Anchorage trade show with a couple Smith Cub kits, a set of Clamar 2200 amphibs, and a set of Clamar 2200 straight floats.

stumpjumper
05-04-2004, 08:32 AM
Thanks for the info guys :)

Bugs66
05-04-2004, 10:21 AM
Check out http://www.clamarfloats.com. We just brought back with us to Alaska two sets of 2200 amphibs and one set of 2200 straight floats. These floats are designed after Edo 2000 but are composite, have flat tops, are lighter and a whole lot stronger than aluminum floats. We plan to be at the Anchorage trade show with a couple Smith Cub kits, a set of Clamar 2200 amphibs, and a set of Clamar 2200 straight floats.

What kind of prices are the Clamair's going for? They don't list prices on their web site.

Bugs

Alaska Cubs
05-04-2004, 10:36 AM
The prices for the Clamar Floats are follows:

2200 Straight Floats = $19,900
2200 Amphib Floats = $24,900

They also have 3500 series floats in developement.

Stan

Bugs66
05-04-2004, 12:21 PM
The prices for the Clamar Floats are follows:

2200 Straight Floats = $19,900
2200 Amphib Floats = $24,900

They also have 3500 series floats in developement.

Stan

Ouch! Not sure if we are comparing apples to apples but Montana floats experimental amphib kit is $14K. Are Clamar certified? Maybe that's the difference besides composite.

irishfield
05-04-2004, 05:13 PM
The prices for the Clamar Floats are follows:

2200 Straight Floats = $19,900
2200 Amphib Floats = $24,900

They also have 3500 series floats in developement.

Stan

Ouch! Not sure if we are comparing apples to apples but Montana floats experimental amphib kit is $14K. Are Clamar certified? Maybe that's the difference besides composite.

Keith's "kit" might be $14K, but sure not finished floats!! Add in another 500 to 600 hrs of labour and what do you get?

Alaska Cubs
05-04-2004, 09:26 PM
Clamar Floats are not yet certified. They are already built and ready for installation. Each set comes complete with rigging, spreader bars, etc...even a paddle. The amphibs come the same, along with an electric hydraulic pump, resevoir, and pump control. Clamarfloats.com also sells a very nice two way hand pump that fits nicely under the front seat of a cub that can be used as the main pump, or a backup. The only construction involved is installing the stearing rudder(s), spreader bars and rigging, airframe hydraulic system, and instaling onto the aircraft. Each float has a large storage compartment with a large sealed access hatch, and every bay/compartment has a large round access cover on the flat top deck. The workmanship is second to none, and the design is well thought out. I have looked into nearly all of the experimental floats on the market at various airshows and have found that the Clamar Floats are the hands down favorite.

irishfield
05-04-2004, 10:59 PM
I supply that spreader bar material to CLAMAR and I also loaned my EDO 3500 amphib's to pull the pattern for the double flute bottoms going on the new 3500's. :) To the best of my knowledge there are absolutely no plans to certify either model, especially considering that it's estimated by 2008 there will be more homebuilt aircraft in Canada than certified!

Wayne

irishfield
05-04-2004, 11:04 PM
I should also add, while we are on this thread, that Keith Kinden and his guys (at the Montana Float Company) build a top notch float... if you want to go with the aluminum float. Excellent workmanship and an extremely well thought out hydraulic gear retract system.

Cheers,
Wayne

Todd C
05-05-2004, 10:41 PM
How tall is an amphib-equipped Super Cub? Will a 10' hanger door be tall enough to clear the rudder?

Todd C
05-05-2004, 10:54 PM
How tall is an amphib-equipped Super Cub? Will a 10' hanger door be tall enough to clear the rudder?

irishfield
05-06-2004, 11:52 AM
How tall is an amphib-equipped Super Cub? Will a 10' hanger door be tall enough to clear the rudder?

I don't know the magic "# Todd...but a Rebel on amphibs will just go through a 10 foot door and the factory has us mount them higher above the floats than most do. Should be a non issue getting through the door with a cub on CLAMAR 2200's or similar.

Wayne

Frank T
05-06-2004, 01:46 PM
On their web site Wipaire lists the tail height of the PA-18 and PA-12 on amphibs at 10'-2".

Frank

irishfield
05-06-2004, 02:33 PM
Todd, if you can't get the tail through the door (and assuming your ceiling is a bit higher) you can make a set of shallow ramps for the nose wheels to run up and down. Place them so the tail goes down just before the door and then back up once inside. Doesn't take much at all to lower the tail even a foot.

Can also use this process even if your ceiling height is less than the tail height by making a set of two piece ramps to raise the nose wheels outside the door and the second section inside to keep them elevated. Then remove the outside set and close the door.

The next issue is going to be where your antenna's are mounted. Cabin roof fairing mounts might be higher to the tip of the antenna than your tail fin!

Wayne

Frank T
05-06-2004, 05:54 PM
We use to operate a Gulfstream GI that would not fit through our hangar door. We had a towbar made that had a ramp on wheels that pushed under the nosewheel and then connected to the nosegear. It raised the nosewheel about 18" and lowered the tail to let it fit through the hangar door. We just left it up on the ramp when it was in the hangar. We used this setup for several months, until our new hangar was completed. You do have to be careful when pushing the airplane backwards and stoping, because being tipped back makes for less weight on the nosegear.

Frank

Alaska Cubs
05-07-2004, 12:38 AM
A PA-18 on Clamar 2200 Amphibs is 10'2" tall.

Todd C
05-07-2004, 10:24 PM
Thanks for the info. That's a good tip about using the ramps.